CLAYTON ECHARD TALKS POLYAMORY, LAURA OWENS & DATING AFTER THE BACHELOR

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Oh my god, I just totally got catfished.

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He looks absolutely nothing like his picture.

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So I found out the guy that I've been dating is married with kids.

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His wife just reached out to me.

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Welcome to the meat market.

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The single scene is a slaughterhouse, and we are here to devour it.

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We are your hosts.

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I'm Lindsay.

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I'm Jess.

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And today, sizzling single is Clayton.

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Welcome.

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How's it going, guys?

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So you are six foot five.

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You are successful.

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Clearly very good looking.

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You were the bachelor, where you had 30 women fighting for your love.

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Literally.

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I know you're ready for a wife because you said that multiple times on the show, but you're still single.

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Why?

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Why do you think this is?

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Well, this is I don't know if this is gonna kill the whole thing here, but I've I'm not single anymore as of like two days ago.

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Congratulations.

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So obviously, I hope that this will be something that will carry um for a while now, but it's fresh.

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So hopeful I hope we're still cool cool to the podcast.

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We're already doing it.

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So you know, we want to hear about your past and you know, the journey it took to find love.

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Yeah.

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Well, and and I guess, you know, too.

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I mean, I can speak on yeah, singleness because it's been a it's been a journey.

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It is a journey.

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I think it's a journey that people need to take as well.

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Um, and I took it purposely for many, many years.

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And I did say on The Bachelor that I was ready to find love.

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Uh, I realized though that I really wasn't ready because I didn't have the self-love and self-confidence I needed in order to attract the right partner.

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Um, and that bled into my relationship with Susie, the you know, one of the individuals that I ended up with from the show.

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Uh, I was traumatized from the response online and from feedback, and she became my therapist without really signing up for that.

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Uh, and it just made the relationship really hard to navigate because she also faced trauma as well.

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Uh, it was basically Team Susie versus Team Clayton at the end, and you had the audience split down the middle.

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So she was caring for me and there for me, and I wasn't really doing a great job of giving that back to her, and so it ultimately it just fell apart.

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So, um, but it taught me that I was like from that point after her and I broke up, I'm like, look, the next relationship you get into, like, before you get there, you have to have self-love and self-confidence.

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You have to be fully secure in what you are, and you have to be as healed as you can be.

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People underestimate the power of timing.

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If you're not ready, no matter if you're the perfect couple, she's the perfect person for you, if you're not ready within yourself, it's not gonna work.

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Yeah, yeah, and I found that out.

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So uh I spent the last few years really diving deep within my mind, going back to childhood trauma, connecting the dots, why present day me was partaking in certain behaviors, starting to see that there was things from my past that I just tried to say, hey, time will heal all wounds.

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That was some falsity that I that was stated.

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It's a common phrase, it's like time heals all wounds, it's not true.

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It's like active effort to find the silver lining, the positive amongst the negative, and rewiring your circuitry.

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Like that's what's going to help you heal.

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So I started going to multiple different types of therapy.

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I've done cognitive behavioral therapy, I've done EMDR therapy, I've done psilocybin trips, I've done heavy, I've done marijuana.

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I mean, marijuana was like my main uh drug that I would utilize sometimes just to numb myself, uh, because going from a town of 10,000 people and maybe being known by 10,000 people to being known by 10 million people uh is something that you can't prep for, uh, especially if you're not received well.

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And I was controversial, so that spun me out when all of a sudden I had all these eyes and just constant feedback online, um, and I couldn't run from it.

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I mean, I suppose I could have deleted my social media, but I had a moment where I almost did.

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And then my ego said, No, you're not that weak.

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You know, you can you can triumph over this.

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Don't don't delete your account.

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Like you're just going to basically succumb to the negativity and you're you're stronger than that.

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What was it like going back to your hometown for the first time?

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From when I went when I like when I worked on The Bachelor?

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Yeah, like when you realized people hated you, basically.

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Like when you were this vilified, when they vilified we were a villain, sort of, right?

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Well, when I went back to my hometown on The Bachelor, the season hadn't aired yet, so everyone was excited.

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Okay, so after everything came out, when people were kind of beating you up online.

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Well, I had a lot of movement.

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So after the show, I actually sold my condo in Missouri, and so I left right after the show ended, and then I came out to Scottsdale, and I was staying with my brother until the show aired like four months later, and then once the show aired, then I moved with Susie to Virginia.

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Okay.

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So I wasn't back in my hometown.

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Um, but you know, I mean, I heard chatter, I heard comments being made from people.

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Um I also was in a very defensive state, and so uh I was trying to over-explain myself as to why I took the actions that I did on the show.

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Um and I thought I was I was explaining, explaining, explaining, and I'm like, why can't people understand?

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Like, I'm telling you, I this is why I did it.

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I wasn't trying to hurt anybody.

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This is these were my intentions.

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I will say though, I thought you were extremely unfairly criticized because I don't know if it's because I'm older or if it's because I'm European or I'm not religious, but when you make such a big decision, like spending your life with someone, you need to explore that sexual chemistry.

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Because that could take the underdog to top dog, or that could take your number one to the bottom three.

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Because I feel like sexual chemistry really can make you look at someone differently.

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Like, haven't you dated a guy and you're like, oh, he's okay, and then you have your intimate, and it's like, oh my god, this is mind-blowing, this is great.

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Or you really like a guy, you're intimate with him, and you're like, oh my god, no, I'm over this.

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He gives me the ick.

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Do you know what I'm saying?

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And you're making a big decision, like proposing to someone.

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Don't you want to explore the intimacy with them all to make sure you're making that right decision?

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So I think that people that criticized you for that, I don't know.

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Yeah, and I agree with you.

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Um, I I also believe I was unfairly criticized.

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Uh, I think people blew it way out of proportion.

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And you were honest.

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I thought it was great how you were upfront.

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You were honest.

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A lot of the men on the show, they blindside the women, they don't tell them, they're not honest.

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But I think throughout the entire season, you were very upfront and honest.

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And I still am in my personal life.

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Uh, and of course, that will attract a certain type of person that is okay with that.

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I mean, I am pretty blunt.

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Uh I I that might be because I grew up a people pleaser.

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And so uh I was always I felt that if I was ever caught lying or uh if I didn't say the right thing, that I had these this three-strike rule.

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Uh, and so for me, radical honesty became the approach of, well, I mean, you can't be upset with me if I tell you the truth.

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What I've since found out is that some people can't handle the truth.

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So you f find like, hey, I'm in there's moments where is it really that important for me to share this completely?

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Uh I still feel ultimately that I mean, if somebody asks, you know, I do say, Are you sure you want to know this?

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Um, but I will ultimately give you the answer.

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Uh, and that's been interesting in dating because it has led to certain discussions where, you know, it's it's like, oh, now that I know this, I can't move forward.

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And it's like, well, you asked.

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So I but I still stand by, I'm like, I the right person for me long term is going to be somebody that um, you know, that can handle honesty no matter how much it may hurt in the moment.

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Well, honesty is that best policy.

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I feel like it's always a good thing, right?

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It should be, yeah.

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I mean, I guess you can take case by case basis, it depends on what exactly, but um, I also think if somebody asks a question, it's like, well, you're gonna get an answer.

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Exactly.

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You know, and even on the show, I mean, it's like I was I was chastised for answering.

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I'm like, but guess they were asking.

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So that is as you said, I mean, there are a lot of people that don't didn't answer honestly or are are withheld, you know, it was it was through omission.

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They weren't lying, that was just they were omitting the truth.

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Um that that to me is a lie still.

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And I was even encouraged to hey, hold off on saying this.

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I was gonna say that because normally, so I think the bigger mistake than or I shouldn't call it a mistake, but the bigger thing than sleeping with all of them was telling them all that you loved them.

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That's what I saw as the that's what people said online was the issue.

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And that was the bigger issue, I think, rather than saying the chosen words that production, I'm sure, said tell them you're falling for them or tell them, you know, this and that, rather than than saying that you're in love with them.

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But being devil's advocate, can't you love multiple people at the same time?

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Right?

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I mean, can you be in love with more than one person at the same time?

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Like you think you can fall in love with somebody else while you're married.

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We have interviewed many people that are in polyamorous relationships that love love them all, you know.

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And that's what the show is.

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It's a show based in polyamory with the final goal of monogamy.

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It's true.

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Um, you I mean, I can sit here and say you absolutely can because I did it.

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It's like you fall in love with them for each of them for different things.

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I remember at one point my brain saying, I wish I could just combine the best of all three of them.

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You know, and that's obviously that was like, well, these I had a lot of those crazy thoughts while I was there.

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And I had a thought, I'll never forget, I was in Iceland and I was on a date with one of the girls, and I remember thinking, I'm looking at her and I was just laughing, she was doing something goofy, and I I my brain said, I don't want this to end, I want to keep dating all three of these women.

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I'm like, what do you can't do that?

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Like, what are you talking about?

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Like, but these were the thoughts because I was given permission to be in a polygamous environment.

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It's a dating trend now, by the way.

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I know.

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Is this something that you're interested in?

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Would you be open to being in a poly relationship?

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I never have been.

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Um, I I would not be, I would say no.

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It's hard to say because like I also think it's like initially up front, no.

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Like, but over time, 10, 15 years in a relationship, like I can never say never.

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I I don't think I would ever want that.

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Um, I certainly wouldn't want like another man in my relationship ever.

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You know, that's just from an ego standpoint.

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Like, don't need a man involved.

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If it's a woman, it's like, I don't know.

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I feel for it's not as much of a threat to my ego.

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Um, but I also think that would just create issues then.

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It's like potential issues.

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What happens when you bring someone, a third person into the relationship, and then your partner develops feelings for them.

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And it's like because they just now like there's an intimacy involved there.

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So I don't believe I ever would um be okay with that.

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But I also, I mean, I'm like, look, I I've gotten away away with I've gotten away from using absolutes.

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Um, because I do think like every relationship is different, and uh, you know, it's it's again, it's it's maybe it would work, you know, for for me and a certain person.

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Uh just have to be a certain dynamic, I suppose.

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Yeah, can't look until you've tried it, right?

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Yeah, it's it's like uh I I'm kind of has yeah, I I like again the show, I wouldn't say the show opened me up to the idea of polyamory.

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I truthfully, I mean, I was given permission by all of the women to, you know, just openly date.

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Uh, I was told by all three of the final women to explore the late the relationship fully right before I went into fancy suites.

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Well, as a man, you think that means be intimate.

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And they all three said it.

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So I was like ironic that they all three said it to me.

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Um, but I was like, okay, like I get what you're saying.

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I hear, I pick up, I'm picking up what you're putting down.

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Um, but again, that environment was so different.

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Uh, the easiest way to explain it or to really paint a picture of how this thing worked.

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In the real world, you go to a bar and you make out with some girl.

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No, all the other girls, if they see it at the bar, they're no longer interested.

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They're like, okay, he's that's that's who he's interested in, and I'm not interested now.

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I was, I'll never forget, I was on a date, 10 women on a group date on the show.

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I'm talking to this one girl.

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We're like separated from everybody else.

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We we talked, she ends up coming going in for a kiss.

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We kiss, we keep talking for another like two minutes.

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Another girl comes in, hey, can I steal you?

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She steals me, takes me to another room, sits down, we talk for like 10 minutes, then I go in to kiss her.

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She stops me.

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She goes, Hold on, wipes my lips.

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She goes, You had lipstick on, wipes my lips, goes in, makes out with me.

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And that was when, like, that moment where I'm like, This is not real world.

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Like, this woman just wiped off another woman's lipstick and no hesitation, and then goes right back in to make out with me.

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I'm like, this the environment is different here.

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Yeah, I'm being given permission by everybody to be in a polyamorous environment.

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And and and I was hesitant holding back.

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The producers asked me, they you know, they all throughout the way, they're like, Do you think you could fall in love with multiple people?

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I said, No, because it'd be a train wreck if I did, which that was really foreshadowing.

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Um, but I was holding back until the three final women all expressed feelings of love to me, and I was like, I'm really grateful to hear that.

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Well, then a week or two passed and I still hadn't said anything to them.

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And then multiple, two of them approached me and were like, Hey, I'm starting to pull back because I've told you, you haven't reciprocated.

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So I'm now I'm thinking you must be have stronger feelings for the other women.

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So I'm gonna start putting my wall back up.

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And so I had I was faced with that moment of like, what do I do?

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Like, I do feel strong about all three of these women.

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I didn't want to have to share this, but like if I do, it's either I do or I don't.

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I either continue the route I'm going and the girls put their walls back up, and then I'm supposed to propose to someone who has their walls up, or you know, I just tell them each how I feel about them and then just see where it goes.

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And that was the decision I made.

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Question When you watched the show back, did you see things that you didn't experience for the girls that made you question your decisions?

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Would you have kept some girls longer or gotten rid of some girls earlier?

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Uh it wasn't so much it wasn't so much what I had seen.

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Everything that I I saw, I um I was aware of.

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I was most surprised that some storylines were they made it seem way more important than what they were.

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So to me, I'm like, yeah, that was happening in the background, but that was not a big deal.

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But we we just made this a three-episode ordeal.

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Okay.

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Like this conflict was such so small, so minor.

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Like I didn't realize you made it seem like this was the big center focus.

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Again, the show is just create, you know, using stuff for drama.

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Of course.

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Um, but no, it was more, I mean, I watched it back and I was more just annoyed with what they chose to highlight.

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Um, including, again, like the big trigger point or the big turning point for me was the conversation that Susie and I had.

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Uh, and you know, people were very uh very upset with how I spoke to her.

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Um and you know, that was a four-hour conversation.

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And that was a conversation I tried to have off camera, and I was told I was not allowed to.

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And so hesitantly, I finally started going down that path, and then you know, four hours of a conversation, and then the final 10 minutes are shown, and it's like, okay, but you just missed all the context.

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So I was more upset with like the lack of context, but I also understood or now understand that um each episode, two-hour episode, uh it usually encapsulated four to four days of filming, 16-hour film days.

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So you're talking, what is that, 64 hours of films jammed into two hours?

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So you realize like they can't provide context.

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Um, or the one what they just choose what to and what not to.

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Um, and it's fair to say, I mean, the show chose to make me a villain.

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Like, I I'm not one, I don't think I'm perfect, but I'm not a villain.

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Like, I I don't I don't I don't I don't accept that.

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I took that on my shoulders when I first came off the show.

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Now, through going through my healing journey, I'm like, I never was one.

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I don't, you know, I don't take that on that energy.

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Um, I can see why people were upset with me.

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Um, but you're watching a highly edited experience.

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So it's and I think the show has changed a little bit because I used to watch it 15 years ago with my girlfriends in PT school, we would watch it like as a break from studying or whatever.

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And and I haven't watched it since.

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And so when you were coming on, I like quick binged the season.

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And was your was your season the first season sent with the new host?

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Yeah, Jesse.

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Okay.

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So I don't know if they have are like trying to bring it back or revamp it because now they have that Taylor Frankie Paul, the Mormon housewife.

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The she's coming on as The Bachelorette.

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And so it's like, are they trying a little bit too hard?

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The show's dying to keep it relevant.

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The show's dying.

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You know, I think so too.

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When I was on back in 2011, 11 million people watched it.

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Now three million people watch it.

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Yeah.

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So it really has.

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Yeah, they no, they'll say like the streaming services, it's bet, but they're they're trying to pump it up.

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But the show's dying.

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I mean, it's it's it's obvious.

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I feel like that too.

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Love is blind, you have perfect match.

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I love perfect match.

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That's like the only reality show I watched.

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So you have all these other reality shows that I think that Bachelor is just yeah.

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Well, it's uh Yeah, I think it's just not it it was it was at the at the cutting edge of of you know uh like at the time when it first came out.

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Well, it was the only dating show.

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Yeah.

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Um but now I mean, well, you can see what the formula is that people like.

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It's it's it's Love Island.

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That that broke records uh as far as viewership.

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And what they did such a great job of is was uh the interactive element.

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So being people, it's not live, but it's like put out a day later.

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Yeah.

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So and then people get to vote and impact people in the house, and psychologically the people in the house don't know why they're being voted a certain way.

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And so now they're you know, there's there's that component.

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So there's inner audience interaction, which is massive.

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Uh, and then also it's just like you really got to know these people because it was unfiltered, unedited, really just filmed, pushed out the next day.

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And so you can see nuance amongst these individuals.

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Um, I I say now I'm like the best show I could have ever gone on was uh would have been Love Island, which was actually ironically the first show that ever reached out to me.

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Um, I said no the first time because it was too raunchy.

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Now I'm like, I could do that in a heartbeat.

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It would be super simple.

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But like at I was when it first reached out, I'm like, no, I could never do that.

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Like I work in medical sales, like there's no way I could be on, you know, making out and doing all these crazy stuff on camera.

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Not just making out, they're like a dry jumping, they're like in bikini, basically wearing nothing.

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The girls are in there, it's pretty scandy.

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Yeah, but well, what but like again, like you almost feel like you get to know these people because you see them every day.

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There's like 60 episodes or whatever.

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Um, and I I do think I'm like that's the kind of show that um I could benefit by going on.

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I'm not trying to pine, you know, pine for that now.

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I'm just saying that um I see that the editors, it's blatantly obvious.

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They the way they edit me and the way that I they edit everybody is what is the easiest way to you know that that this to edit this person and for how they'll be picked up by the audience?

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So all you have are good or bad categories.

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You're either gonna be really good or really bad.

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They don't need people in the middle because that doesn't sell.

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You got they're just filler.

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So they they look for the like, okay, is this person received positively or negatively?

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And they do they from a superficial standpoint.

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They look at somebody, and I'm 6'5, 250, and everyone assumes that I'm like the guy that always had everything.

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And so they just look at me like he's a douchebag.

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And that's how the editors edit me every single time.

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It's like it's lazy editing, in my opinion.

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I'm like, but I get it because you I see I see it all over the internet.

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He's the guy that got every girl in high school, he's a superstar athlete.

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I'm like, if no, I've talked about this.

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I was five, you know, I was bullied, I was small, I was not a good athlete.

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I had to walk on at Mizzou.

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I worked for everything that I have.

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And, you know, you guys just are you don't want to take the time to get to know what I really am.

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And neither do the producers.

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They just spit it out.

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So it's numbers.

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It's just it's just, yeah, it's just, and I get it.

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They don't, they they realize like we only have twelve episodes.

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We can't sit here and you know, really.

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Spend three episodes to show you who he really is.

00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.519
Um, but that's you know, that's what that's obviously you can still even feel the frustration.

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There's there's parts of me that um I'm still working through to understand if I should fully let go of that anger towards the producers or if I should say no, like F them, like they treated me wrong, and I can say that.

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I can still, you know, be healed, but I can still middle finger them and say, like, screw you guys, but also my life is better than it's ever been.

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But like, I'm I mean, I I don't know.

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I feel like it's still okay to hold anger.

00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:40.079
Um, I'm still working through that because I'm like, do you let go of it fully, or like can you still be like what you did was wrong?

00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:42.319
Yeah, you have to be like Buddha, let it go.

00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:51.599
Yeah, I think at some point you have to get you can still feel like you can still feel like you were wronged, but I think at some point you want to get rid of your anger because you don't want to hold that.

00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:54.960
Yeah, it it comes, it it will come out eventually.

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Yeah, I think I think what it well, what I've noticed is the reason why I haven't been able to let go of it is because I'm still hated online because of the way they edited me.

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Yeah.

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But there's but no justification.

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Yes, my my dancing that I do now is is is not liked whatsoever.

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Like it's there's a few people well it is liked, but like why do people make why do you get criticized for that?

00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:16.240
Well, I don't know.

00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:18.000
There's there's there's a few reasons why.

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One is because people just don't like me from The Bachelor, so like they just are looking for a reason to hate me.

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So they see me dancing, screw this guy.

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Um, I there are other people that are just projecting.

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Uh, I think that's another big reason.

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People look at me and they go, and they try to get they try to send hate comments to get me to stop.

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And the reason is because I'm not that great of a dancer, which I'm aware of, but I like to dance.

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That being said, I threaten people's egos because if you see someone like Chris Brown dancing, your ego goes, Wow, that's incredible.

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Like I could never do that.

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So there's no threat.

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You see me dancing, you go, that's not even good.

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Why is he posting this online?

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Like, I could do that.

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And then their egos respond with, well, then why don't you?

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And the answer is it's fear.

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They're fearful of judgment from others.

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That's what's stopping them from doing what I'm doing.

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Because I'm putting pushing out the message that like you all can do this.

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I I'm three years in and I've made the progress I've made, but look at me, I'm not like I'm still, I have a long ways to go.

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But like, you all can't stop me.

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I'm gonna keep dancing until I decide I'm done, has nothing.

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You will never stop me with your negative negative feedback.

00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:26.400
But also, how about some of you all instead of just attacking me, like go try something out of your comfort zone?

00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:32.319
You know, because really that's what you're bothered by is that like you you know you could do what I'm doing, but you're too scared to do it.

00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:37.519
So that's that's you know, I'm triggering their egos, and that's why they're they're sending negativity my way.

00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:42.319
But a big major reason is because I was just not liked on The Bachelor.

00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:47.519
And so that's why I I still hold on to the anger because I still know why I'm being hated on.

00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:49.680
But you also have fans from The Bachelor too, right?

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I do, I do, I do, and they're great.

00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:53.920
And I have a whole community of people that that really you know like me.

00:22:54.079 --> 00:22:55.920
Um and everyone's gonna have haters.

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I mean, I'm not famous and I have so many haters on TikTok that daily call me a cow and call me ugly and a troll.

00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:04.559
You know, I feel like if you're on social media, you're gonna have haters, right?

00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:05.680
You are inevitable.

00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:08.480
Yeah, and and someone would say, Well, Clayton, then just get off social media.

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And and I'm like, no, because I see social media as a tool.

00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:19.519
Um, the amount of opportunities that have come from social media, the money, I've I mean, I I'm I live the life that I love to live now.

00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:22.000
I I I'm doing better than I've ever been doing.

00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:27.119
Contrary to people online saying, like, this guy's undateable, this guy, you know, like, is he struggling for money?

00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:28.640
Is that why he's doing these dance cameos?

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I'm like, guys, like sometimes what there's I have moments where I want to just come online and just show you everything I have and just be like, shut up.

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You know, like that, but my ego then goes, no, you don't need to do that, right?

00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:44.079
So like I do play this game of like, yeah, it is something where I'm balanced, it's a balancing act.

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And when I do get overwhelmed, I I start to like get away from social media.

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But I really do feel that if I just cancel, deleted my account, I'm like, you're I I posted a dance video, I get quarter million views on average.

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Like, I'm like, that reach, you know how much that would cost to be able to get that amount of people's eyes on something?

00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:08.720
And I've gotten tons of business from I just did a real estate deal because a client saw my dance video online.

00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:14.559
So I'm like, you guys realize that like I'm making a ton of money off of social media with my real life job.

00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:15.680
Like, I can't shut this down.

00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:17.119
Don't shut it down because then they win.

00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:17.599
That's what they want.

00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:18.480
Well, that's the other thing.

00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:22.480
The other part of it is my ego is like, you're not gonna win this.

00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:32.000
Like, I'm going to like I'm gonna beat your egos to a pulp pulp where you're like, you're just gonna finally be like, and I'm like, it's either what it's gonna take is either you're gonna finally see all the things that I have.

00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:34.400
I'm not gonna throw it in your face, but you'll start to pick up on it.

00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:47.119
You'll see the my the house in the background or the car I'm walking by or whatever, and you'll be like, oh wow, he seems to actually have a lot, you know, or you're going to, I'm gonna become a really great dancer one day, where it's like, holy shit, he's actually good, and I can't say anything about it anymore.

00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:48.000
I'm still not there.

00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:50.880
I can I watch my videos still and I'm like But you know what?

00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:58.000
You have the confidence to post these videos of you dancing that does gain criticism and you might not be a professional dancer, but I think that's key.

00:24:58.079 --> 00:24:59.759
Like you have so much confidence, so good for you.

00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:06.799
Well, and that's what that's also why I post, is because I I do challenge my ego and challenge myself to say, like, are you really over this?

00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:11.599
Like, can you really like or or are do you have the confidence to be able to continue pushing forward?

00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:13.680
Or are you going to allow this to collapse you?

00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:18.079
Um, so I do kind of challenge myself and test myself, and that's why I post.

00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:20.240
And so it's like, why are you subjecting yourself to this?

00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:22.720
It's because adversity builds character.

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And so I'm purposely subjecting myself to criticism.

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Good for you.

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Because that's how I grow, and that's I mean, that's how I've always grown.

00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:31.599
I have a question for you.

00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:35.359
You keep saying The Bachelor, I got a bad edit on The Bachelor, I hate the produce.

00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:37.920
Do you like the way you were edited on The Perfect Match?

00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:38.319
No.

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Because I thought you were edited worse on that than The Bachelor.

00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:43.119
Like I thought they were very unfair to you.

00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:45.039
I think they did pull the same edit.

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Um, and I no, I I had a great experience on the show.

00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:49.920
I really loved the cast.

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You know, I like their characters, they're hilarious.

00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:55.279
They all were just super special in their own ways, very, very talented.

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Um, I had a blast like filming.

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Uh, and so I really thought that um I it was gonna be a great edit because I was respected in the house.

00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:12.960
Um, you know, I had a when I exited, you know, everyone, you know, they they got gathered round and everyone hugged me and we all had a shot together.

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And um it was a really like happy ending.

00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:19.680
You know, Rachel and I made amends and she apologized to me.

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Um, and I apologized to her, obviously.

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And it was like, we're good, and you know, I really care about you and I wish you the best.

00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:31.200
Um, the show warped everything, and it was just like when I watched it, I'm like, this is not at all how it happened, you know.

00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:34.319
And and there was stuff that they put out there that I didn't say.

00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:38.799
So like I'm watching the show and I'm like, those words never came out of my mouth.

00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:42.880
And that was what actually made me even more angry than when I was on The Bachelor's.

00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:47.839
I'm like, at least the bachelor didn't use like, I mean, they never took, they never frankenbit my audio.

00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:58.960
You know, they definitely took audio and then made it and seem like I was talking to somebody when I wasn't, but they didn't like completely like cut chop parts of my you know language or whatever and put it together.

00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:01.440
And it's like those that that sentence was never said.

00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:04.079
Yeah you know, that never actually occurred that way.

00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:06.720
Um, and so that was really agitating.

00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:13.440
Um, so I sent a pretty gnarly email to the the producers, or like, and I said, I'm like not promoting the show.

00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:17.920
I pulled down my photo, I took everything off because I was pissed, you know.

00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:23.200
And I'm like, you guys just did the same shit all over again that like ABC polled on me.

00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:29.519
And I'm like, it's just really tiring because if if you would just show me as I am, then I wouldn't be upset.

00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:32.720
But like you guys try to, you go, you go the extra mile.

00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:36.000
Because they want the numbers, they want the drama, they want people to talk.

00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:39.599
Yeah, they don't care about your our feelings or they don't care about us, period.

00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:40.480
You're a number, yeah.

00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.160
You are a number, and and it that's just the way it is.

00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:48.640
Um, but like, you know, that's why I just I I'm okay with that at the end of the day.

00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:55.680
Like, I don't really I don't hate the producers, and truthfully, it's not even the producers, it's the editors, it's the editors that have always been my problem.

00:27:55.839 --> 00:28:03.839
Like, and but the editors never you never meet them face to face, and I think that's by design because they're gonna wreck you and they're gonna be like, But I never met the guy, so I won't feel as bad.

00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:06.000
Whereas like the producers are face to face with you.

00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:10.640
And I had producers break down in tears, and I would look at them and like, how dare you how could do this to me?

00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:12.160
And they'd break down and be like, I'm so sorry.

00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:13.599
There were a couple producers that left.

00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:19.440
I don't know if it was strictly because of me, but they did mention, like, you know, this is what your season it's weighing too much on me.

00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:20.880
Like, I can't keep doing this to people.

00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:31.920
And I'm like, Yeah, no, like I it does weigh on you because I'm attacking you when the reality is it's it's not even you, there's people above you, you know, and there's the editors, and like are they are they monsters?

00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:34.960
I mean, no, I don't think they're monsters, they're just doing their job.

00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:41.519
Yeah, and you had on The Bachelor, in my opinion, like the craziest group of women, like they were insane.

00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:46.880
And then on perfect match, so I I've watched Siesta Key and Juliet.

00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:54.480
Like, I wanna go, I wanna, I literally I want to go to Siesta Key and party with her because she seems so fun, but she is certifiably insane.

00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:55.920
Like she is crazy.

00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:01.119
Do you attract that toxic, crazy girl in real life too?

00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:05.039
Or is that sort of just the hand that you were dealt on on your shows?

00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:12.240
Uh yeah, no, well, I think it's interesting you say that because I don't yes, Juliet is is is pretty pretty wild.

00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:15.839
You know, she's a free spirit, she's got a lot to say, and she doesn't hold back.

00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:19.200
Like she um she has a chaotic energy to her.

00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:28.960
Certainly that was not, but if if you watch the um, you know, if you watch the perfect match, like again, I don't remember exactly how it was at it because I didn't watch half the season when I turned it off and I was like, screw this show.

00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:33.119
But um I we matched, we're the last match.

00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:34.160
You were like by default.

00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:34.720
Yeah, by default.

00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:36.559
It wasn't like you chose her to be your match.

00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:37.680
I was trying to match with Lucy.

00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.160
So if you looked at like Lucy, it's like she's pretty calm energy.

00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:49.119
Okay, you know, I just like she just went after Daniel, and so then I was like, okay, then I tried to match with Matt uh Madison and then she matched with um Cody.

00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:52.480
And so then I just ended up like matching with her by default.

00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:56.240
But you know, her and I like our energies were were not going to last.

00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:10.079
And so her and I were basically like, look, like we'll stay together um until like somebody comes into the house that we're interested in, and then like just let's notify the other, give it give the other one time, you know, a heads up so that it's like, hey, I I want to go for this person.

00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:13.680
Okay, that gives you now the rest of the day to try to like figure out who you're going to.

00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:15.279
You're gonna break up in the house.

00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:15.680
Okay.

00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:16.880
So that was our plan.

00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:18.400
And I did do that for her.

00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:24.000
I just I when Rachel came in, it was unfortunately, it was already like I think she came at like 4 p.m.

00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:24.480
that day.

00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:26.079
So it was basically like, I can't.

00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:27.519
I'm like, well, I don't know if I'm gonna match with her.

00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:31.200
By the time I made the decision, I'm like, Julia, I tell her she's got like an hour left.

00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:31.599
Yeah.

00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:32.400
And she's like, What the?

00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:34.319
I can't how what am I supposed to do with an hour?

00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:38.240
I was like, I didn't think I was gonna match with her, but like now it's just a bunch of emotions, and I don't know.

00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:42.400
I'm just like feeling overwhelmed, and I just feel like right now, like her and I have a stronger match than you and I do.

00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.480
So like I'm going off with a stronger match right now.

00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:44.960
Yeah.

00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:49.680
Were you really interested in pursuing things with Rachel again, or did you just want to stay on the show a bit longer?

00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:54.240
Oh no, I had no, I had zero interest in like I was not, I didn't care about TV time whatsoever.

00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:54.720
Really?

00:30:54.799 --> 00:31:01.920
Um no, and and again, that's where I sent myself home, like on the show.

00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:07.599
So I basically the way that the the like the way it was aired was not how it happened.

00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:19.920
Like I said, I went on it on a I won the kissing challenge or whatever with uh Sandy, and then I told her that night, I was like, hey, I'm going to, I hope it's a board of guys tomorrow because I feel so wrong.

00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:21.279
I have to break up with Rachel.

00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:22.240
I hadn't broken up at that point.

00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:23.599
I was like, but I'm not feeling right about this.

00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:26.480
So like Sandy and I were talking, I'm like, I have to go break up there tonight.

00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:32.240
Like, and then I hope it's a boardroom of guys tomorrow because I'm gonna put her on a date and knock myself out of the house.

00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:33.599
That's what I said.

00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:41.519
And then they made it seem like when the boardroom came, I was like, they show like the guys on the board and they and I didn't remember, I was like, they showed made it look like I was like, shit.

00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:43.119
I was like, that's exactly what I wanted.

00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:45.519
I literally put I knocked myself out of the house.

00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:46.960
I didn't give a shit about TV time.

00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:47.759
I'm like, I don't care.

00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:53.519
So you were initially interested in giving Rachel another shot, exploring that relationship to see if there was something still there?

00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:54.000
Yes.

00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:58.960
Well, yeah, because like she comes in the house and and I I'm a big believer in everything happens for a reason.

00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:00.960
It was on my phone, screensaver.

00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:02.960
That's literally what it said, everything happens for a reason.

00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:04.799
I still believe that to this day.

00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:08.720
So when she walks in the house, I'm like, what are the chances?

00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:10.240
I'm on a Netflix show.

00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:12.960
Like, and and I did not expect them to bring her on.

00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:15.680
They could have brought anybody else on, but they bring her.

00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.480
Well, I'm sure the producers concocted all that for a reason.

00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:23.839
Because they I feel like they do that, they they bring in people that you have histories.

00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:32.720
Well, I'll be honest with you though, I didn't think I was that important to like have the show make one of their major plot lines be Rachel and I.

00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:36.319
Because that became the main plot, that was the major plot line of that show.

00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:39.680
And I just at least that's how it felt, at least for the first half of the show.

00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:42.640
And I'm I'm thinking, like, I truthfully thought I'm like, I'm not that important.

00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:44.079
I'm coming on a Netflix show.

00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:50.400
I'm not gonna be the priority, it's gonna be all these other Netflix stars because it's their world, and I'm just getting brought in.

00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:58.880
So like I didn't expect to be have the major storyline, and that's like where it was like, whoa, okay, like we just took ABC and smashed it together.

00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:02.160
That would have made me totally be like, okay, done, I'm out.

00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:07.599
Like, is that sort of what made your decision to then send her on a date and sort of send yourself home?

00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:20.160
Yeah, I mean, I was just at that point, I again in the moment when she sh walked to the door, I was like excited to see her because I'm like, oh my gosh, this is someone I really cared about, had feelings for, um, you know, and and and very strong feelings.00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:21.440


And so I thought, oh, hey, you're here.00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:22.400


Oh my gosh, this is crazy.00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:23.519


Like, we're in Tulum together.00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:28.799


Like, more so to even just like, what, this is so wild that we're back on a TV show after three years of not being on a show.00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.279


And then it was like, oh, by the way, I have to make a decision tonight.00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:36.960


And I'm like, well, I hate to say it, but like Julia and I have a weak ass connection right now, so there's nothing there.00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:42.640


So, like, hey, I and I told her, I was like, I don't, I can't promise anything, but like right now I do want to match with you.00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:43.599


And so that was it.00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:44.799


And she was like, Okay, like I'm scared.00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:54.079


I was like, Hey, I I understand you're scared, but like I can't promise that like this is gonna be something, but like all I can tell you is right now in this moment that I feel more strongly about this than I do with her.00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:56.240


So like we should give this a chance, and that was it.00:33:56.319 --> 00:34:03.440


But then, like after everything unfolded, and then she you know became very emotional, and I was like, gosh, damn it, like this whole thing is about to blow up all over again.00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:07.759


And I was like, forget this, like I'm done, you know, like I'm I'm cool, you know.00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:19.599


I but then again, like all the cast, my cast mates, under they're like, I mean, it's pretty wild, Clayton, that you switched your mind up in less than 12 hours, but they're like, But that being said, like you handled it maturely, like you didn't drag it out.00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:30.079


Because I knew I could have just basically I knew the easy way out would have been her and I just basically stay matched through the end of the show, yeah, and then I just break up with her at the end of the show and be like, yeah, it couldn't work out or whatever.00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:33.920


And that would have that would have I would have been saved from all the ridicule.00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:45.679


But I'm not I'm not that kind of guy that's scared of of blowback, and so I was like, no, that would be even more even worse to carry her through the rest of the show and then just be like, see it, you know.00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:53.840


So I was like, no, I I know that there's like this will not last, and so I need to end this, and the least that I can do is put her on a date, knock myself out of the house.00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:59.760


That's I feel like that's fair the most admirable thing I can do because it also shows that I don't give a shit about TV time.00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:00.320


I don't care.00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:01.199


And I really didn't.00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:02.239


I'm like, I'm not trying.00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:03.760


So I'm back to the regular work right now.00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:06.960


I'm like, I'm not trying to be famous, I'm not trying to be an actor.00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:13.599


Like, I just went on the shows because they challenged me to go into an environment that's foreign and I find it psychologically entertaining.00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:23.679


Because I'm like, how like let's see how good I am at really being able to navigate in an environment that's so different, you know, and it's every time I go on there and I'm like, yeah, it throws me for a loop.00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:26.000


But it's also because I'm like, yeah, I have producers plotting against me.00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:37.440


So like I'm not even fighting the house, I'm fighting these producers on the back end that have this whole narrative that they're just waiting to construct and they're throwing traps out, and like I'm either falling into them or I'm not, you know.00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:45.519


And so um, you know, that's where again, like I probably will never go on a dating show ever again, just because I'm like, I'm tired of your saying you guys throwing the same traps.00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.320


Like, how about you guys like try something different?00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:49.280


But I don't think they will.00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:52.400


I think it's just it's easy to at this point you can't make me the hero.00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:52.800


Yeah.00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:56.800


So how much are you willing to say about your current real life dating life?00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:59.599


Are you dating someone from Bachelor Nation?00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:06.079


Are you dating someone from a reality show or are you dating just uh somebody just from life?00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:07.039


Out in the wild.00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:07.760


Wow.00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:09.199


That's not heard of nowadays.00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:10.559


Did she recognize you?00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:11.679


Did she know who you were?00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:14.079


Um, she I'm trying to think.00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:18.239


I mean, she didn't know initially, but then she found her friends like new.00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:19.199


Of course.00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:21.679


Did you meet like in a bar or restaurant, that kind of thing?00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:23.840


Actually, on a dating app, so oh a dating app, okay.00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:26.480


Yeah, because I'm not really like I'm not really extroverted.00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:29.199


Um, people I think are you know sometimes like, how are you not?00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:33.519


But I'm like, no, I really like like to keep to myself and I don't drink anymore.00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:48.079


I stopped drinking, so um, I just work out and work, and and you know, and I like to like obviously hang out with family and all that, and then like go on some hikes and do some active stuff, but like I don't really like go out a lot, so I just was like, Yeah, the apps are a way for me to meet people additionally.00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:51.920


And and um did women think you were a catfish on the apps?00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:53.599


Did you get asked that question?00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:58.239


Like, yeah, but but never by like the people that I was actually interested in.00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:05.280


Um, I I think honestly, the people that are like, I don't believe this are the ones that um yeah, that they're like kind of like putting me on a pedestal.00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:10.960


You know, the women that which kind of in a way like push those people away from me because I'm like, look, I don't want you to put me on a pedestal.00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:16.239


So the pe the women that aren't gonna question this because they also go, Yeah, I mean, I'm on this app as well.00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:18.079


So like I'm not surprised that he is.00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:20.159


It's like that's just a confidence thing.00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:27.119


If you're like, oh my gosh, there's no way it's actually you, it's like, well, obviously now, like we understand there's a power dynamic difference here.00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:29.840


Yeah, because you're romanticized, they've romanticized you.00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:42.000


Yes, and I'm like, and that actually was a turnoff, and I would like, I would go, I'm like, I don't want to go near that because like you're going to romanticize me, you're gonna put me on a pedestal, and I need to be with a woman that sees me at an equal playing field.00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:47.360


So did dating change for you after you were on these reality shows?00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:52.079


Yeah, but more it just changed because I had to be able to see through the bullshit.00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:57.679


Um, you know, there were there were plenty of women that would try to act like they didn't know who I was when they did.00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:00.239


And here's the thing, I was like, I didn't care if you knew me or not.00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:02.559


Yeah, but I was like, look, I don't, you don't have to know me.00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:06.639


And I'm like, but when it was annoying, I would appreciate it for girls like, yeah, I know who you are.00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:07.440


But like, whatever.00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.960


I watched your season and I and it is what it is, but like now I want to get to know you for who you really are.00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:13.039


I'm sure that's not exactly who you are.00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:16.079


Great, perfect, okay, let's move on.00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:16.559


Right?00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.440


That those upfront honest girls, that's what I love.00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:21.199


But there was a lot of girls that I would run into.00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:25.039


They're like, Yeah, uh sorry, but I don't watch the show, so hopefully that's not offensive.00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:31.119


And then I would find out that like they did watch the show, and they'd be like, Okay, well, I did see this, but like I didn't see your season.00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:32.639


And I'm like, Okay, you're lying to me.00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.679


Yeah, you know, so now I'm like, why are you even lying to me up front?00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:37.440


Like this, we shouldn't have to lie about this.00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:41.039


You know, this should just be a conversation piece that we can dive in if you want.00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:45.360


You know, I started like there was one girl that was I actually liked and we talked for a bit.00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.480


She was a huge fan, not of me, but of the show.00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:51.119


So she was just like, Oh my gosh, I think it's crazy.00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:52.639


Are you cool if I ask you a bunch of questions?00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:54.639


I we talked for like an hour and a half about it.00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:56.559


And then at the end, she's like, Okay, I feel good about that.00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:58.800


I just wanted to get that out of the way because I really do love the show.00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:01.519


She's like, But now I just want to like obviously get to know you beyond that.00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:02.239


And I respected that.00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:04.239


I'm like, right, like some girls are big fanatics.00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:07.199


I had an ex-girlfriend that was a pretty big fan of the show.00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.360


So I'm like, that's not a problem if you're a fan.00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:13.679


But when you start trying to hide it and be like, yeah, I'm not really like, yeah, I don't I didn't watch your season.00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:14.239


I hope that's okay.00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:15.519


And like, I'm not really, I don't watch the show.00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:18.159


And it's like, but you do, so like now I can't trust you.00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:22.800


And then pretty soon they start saying things that they would only know if they watched their season.00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:25.119


And you're like, what do you mean?00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.280


You didn't, I thought you didn't watch the show.00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:29.440


I'm gonna make you shrink for dinner.00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:31.599


Yeah, yeah, exactly.00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:33.599


Yeah, they'd say stuff that would actually happen.00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:36.719


It would be like, you know, do you ever think that you could like you know date multiple people?00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:52.559


I know you I know you did on the show, and like you fell in love with multiple people, and I'm like, some she's like, I and I I just like I I after since we've been talking now, I went back and I watched a little bit, and I'm like, oh like okay, which could be true, but also I'm like, and like you're starting to leak stuff where it's just like you watched in depth.00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:53.840


Like that's funny, you know.00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:57.679


And again, I wouldn't, I don't think I would care if a girl went back and watched it all.00:39:57.920 --> 00:39:59.280


You know, I it wouldn't bother me.00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:03.119


I mean, the Girl that I'm seeing now is is like, I don't really care to watch it.00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:05.840


I said, Well, I do want to go back and watch it for myself to see the growth.00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:07.679


She's like, Well, can I watch it with you?00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:08.719


And I was like, Yeah, sure.00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:11.599


She's like, I just think it'd be really interesting to like ask you things along the way.00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:12.719


And I'm like, Yeah, that's fine.00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:14.079


Like, I'm cool with that.00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:22.559


So it's just again, it's just like, there's nothing wrong with someone being a fan or whatever, but like, yes, it's made it more challenging with dating because I have to root through the BS.00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:28.960


And it's like, because there are women out there that do care uh of celebrity status and they think, what can I get from this?00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:33.440


And there have been women that are like, hey, if I'm adjacent to him, like I'll get more eyes on me.00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:44.159


So if I post on social media, you know, I can get, you know, I can launch my career, you know, or or I can get invited to these events and I can meet other celebrities, and maybe they're trying to get in front of another guy, you know.00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:47.119


And then I like girls that are like, Oh, I know so and so.00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:51.519


Like, I I've you know, I ran into this celebrity, and it's like they start throwing, it's like, what are you doing?00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:55.519


Like, why I I that's also very many men, like we like the name dropping.00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:56.480


We all hate name dropping.00:40:56.800 --> 00:40:59.360


There's not a single man out there that does not like that likes name dropping.00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:01.039


So I don't know why.00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:12.960


My understanding is women do it to kind of like validate themselves as like, hey, I you know, I have those level of people, so like I have a certain level of worth because I have those people in my DMs.00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:14.400


Because it's like, I don't, I don't know.00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:15.599


Men, we don't really get it as men.00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:18.320


We're like, why like it's the biggest, it's one of the biggest turnoffs.00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:20.400


Like, don't I don't care who you know.00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:21.679


It's an ick for sure.00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:22.400


It is.00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:22.800


Yeah.00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.280


Did you have a specific line that women would use on you?00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:28.239


Like, did you have a lot of women coming up to you, like, oh my god, you're so tall.00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:30.880


Um, I mean Excuse me, how's the weather up?00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:32.079


How's the weather going on?00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:40.320


No, because I'm also too, I mean, especially on those apps, it's like, you know, I'm not a catchphrase person or a um I don't throw liners out.00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:42.000


It's just like, hey, how you doing?00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:42.559


That's it.00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:46.800


Because I'm like, I'm not that kind of guy that's like have to come up with something creative and say something to you.00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:50.800


I'm like, game to me is just like being able to have a conversation.00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:55.360


And all that superficial stuff to me is is just a waste of my time, anyways.00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:56.800


Like, I want to get to the deep stuff.00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:05.119


So um, no, like I I mean I've had girls that have, you know, come up and they've shot their shot, and I appreciate it because it's confidence.00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:06.000


That's what I appreciate.00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:14.239


So I'm like, wow, you're showing me you have confidence to walk up because I see like girls looking at me and and you know, but they don't come, they don't approach me.00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.199


And it's like, right, like you, you, you, you're talking about me.00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:18.159


It just happened yesterday.00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:25.039


I was out at a bar and there was like seven girls that were all, you know, they spotted me, they're all excited, you know, like excited, you know, like pointing and then looking at me.00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:27.599


One of the girls was filming me if it was like from 20 feet away.00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:30.239


And I'm like, I see them, and I'm like, just come up say something.00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:38.000


Like, or unless that they didn't care to, you know, I'm not, I don't think that group was a group of girls, so I don't think they were interested in like coming up and talking to me to date.00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:41.280


Yeah, they were just happy that they saw someone that was what I was.00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:45.280


So that's a little bit different, but like I have had you know, those those moments where I'm like, just come up and say something.00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:46.639


You know, so I do commend girls that do.00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:48.000


I had a girl that bought me a drink once.00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:49.119


I thought I was super attractive.00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:51.199


She comes up, she's like, Here, I got you a drink.00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.440


And I'm just like, oh, roles are reversed, you know.00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:59.360


Like, and so I always appreciated confidence, but um, yeah, and then also I also had that whole crazy scandal.00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:00.559


Oh my god, yeah.00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:04.480


Yeah, so like so that you know, has it just I've had to become smarter.00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:06.239


Yeah, I've had to protect my brand.00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:08.559


Like, I I now know the worth that I have.00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:13.760


Like, I nobody thinks like I'm you know, I'm bigger than like I believe in myself more than anybody.00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.719


So I now know what I I'm like, dude, you're a special kind of person.00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:18.480


Like as anyone should think about themselves.00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:22.159


But I'm like, you have a lot to to to lose, so you need to elevate your standard.00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:23.679


So you broke up with Susie.00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:27.039


Have you had a relationship since because that was back in what, 2022?00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:28.079


2022?00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:28.800


Uh yeah.00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:31.119


Have you had a serious relationship since then?00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:31.519


No.00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:31.840


No.00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:32.960


So this is your first one.00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:36.880


How do you feel about dating multiple women at once?00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:43.760


Or do you kind of once you start talking to a woman, do you sort of uh put all your energy there?00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.199


Have you been scarred a little bit?00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:50.719


Um well, so I when you say that, like talking to multiple, I I think like there's a phase before you go exclusive.00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:51.280


Okay.00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:51.760


Yeah.00:43:51.920 --> 00:44:00.159


And so there's like, I was up until this point, you know, with being in an exclusive relationship, uh, I had options.00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.639


I I was talking to multiple women.00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:12.000


Um, and yeah, I mean you you basically because you're like, look, like I want to keep all options open because I'm looking for the best fit for me.00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:16.079


And so then time just unravels these things.00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:19.920


You start to like say, oh, that's a you know, that's gonna, that can't work.00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.239


Um, I found out, yeah, I'm a spiritual person.00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:27.039


I don't follow organized religion anymore, um, but I do believe in God, I'm very spiritual.00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:33.280


And I found out before this girl, there was a girl that, you know, she was very strong in in her Jewish faith.00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:38.719


And I didn't have a problem with her being Jewish, but she was like, This is the way that I will always be.00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:40.000


I expect my kids to be Jewish.00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:41.920


And I'm like, so you're very rigid with your beliefs.00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:43.920


She's like, Yeah, I was like, that's I respect that.00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:45.920


I'm very fluid in my beliefs right now.00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:50.719


And I could go back to Christianity, or I could I could become Jewish, or I could become Buddhist.00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:51.119


I don't know.00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:53.599


I said the point is, is like, I'm all over the map right now.00:44:53.760 --> 00:45:00.159


And to me, I'm like, I don't think it's worth us continuing this because like what happens if I do go back to Christianity?00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:02.960


And I was like, then like we're gonna have a divide.00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:07.920


And she was under she is it was in a belief system where she's like, I can't, I can't ever step foot in a church.00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:12.079


So I was like, this is gonna be a and my family is all predominantly Christian.00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:15.440


So I was like, that's gonna cause tension potentially.00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:17.760


So um, you know, that that unraveled.00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:19.039


She was great, she was awesome.00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:24.079


I told her ultimately it couldn't work, and she's like, I respect you and thank you for telling me and not dragging this.00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:27.360


Um, but like those are the things where like you, you're like, you never know what it's gonna be.00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:32.880


I never thought that that was gonna be a uh you know point where it was gonna end something, even though the person was so great.00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:36.320


On paper, she fit everything that I was looking for initially.00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:40.159


Um, so yeah, I I keep the options open and I don't lie to the women.00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:42.000


Like if they ask me, Are you talking to other women?00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.920


I mean, for one, I also think that's a lack of confidence, you know, if you're asking that question.00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:48.239


You know, the girl that I'm with now never asked that.00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:51.920


You know, she made a comment, like I assumed that you were talking to other people.00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:53.519


I and she said that she was too.00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:54.480


And I'm like, Yeah, I assume.00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:54.800


Yeah.00:45:54.960 --> 00:46:01.280


Because if you're if you assume that if you're casually dating, you assume that both parties are casually dating.00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:05.920


And if you see them as a high value person, you assume that like high value people attract multiple suitors.00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:09.599


So like you just you're like, I would expect multiple men to be going after you.00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:16.480


And ultimately, like it's like you chose me or over them in the same way that like I chose her over a few other women.00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:20.960


That I was like, hey, I'm now dating this individual or about to, I'm and things are getting serious.00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:27.920


And so you make that decision of like, hey, we haven't made it like exclusive yet, but I don't want to mess this up.00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:31.039


So like I'm at the point where I'm ready to pursue her and only her.00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:37.119


So that's when I would then cut the other women out and say, like, hey, I'm talking I'm starting to get serious with somebody.00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.920


And then it's like, yeah, hopefully she feels the same way.00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:42.320


So what do you do now?00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:45.440


You do real estate, you have you're an Airbnb host.00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:46.880


What what is this pickable?00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:52.800


I hear that you that was from yeah, I mean, that I that show I filmed three years ago.00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:57.519


Um, and they were hoping it was gonna get a major network, but now it's just gonna be released on YouTube.00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:01.360


So they finally, after all these discussions, were like, we're just gonna release it on YouTube.00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:03.039


So it's like a show about pickable, yeah.00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:05.440


And I was the host, um, which was fun.00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:07.039


It was my first a little hosting gig.00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:07.920


It was here locally.00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:08.320


Okay.00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:11.280


Um, and and I enjoyed it, but yeah, it just took forever to come out.00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:13.440


So that was just a thing I did three years ago.00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:13.840


Okay.00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:17.440


Um so your primary job right now is real estate, you're with Russ Lyons, right?00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:19.119


Yeah, in solar sales.00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:21.679


Uh and then, but yeah, like I do like four different things.00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:28.480


I'm about to launch an Airbnb course in the new year, how to become the top 1% Airbnb in your city, because I have an Airbnb and it is the top 1%.00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:33.119


So I'm now gonna create a course which is where all the money is, is online.00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:37.119


Um, so like that's gonna be my that's gonna blow up into so many things.00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:37.760


I just believe it.00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:39.599


So like that's where I'm putting all my energy.00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:45.119


But up until that point, um, I stepped away from corporate America and I just pick up jobs along the way.00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.280


And you're a mental health speaker as well.00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.480


I have spoken on mental health, it's been a minute since I've spoken.00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:54.239


So I I even changed it on my bio recently back to mental health advocate.00:47:54.480 --> 00:48:05.119


Um I I was I was facing a bit of a um wall where I was getting a lot of again, blowback online by people saying he shouldn't be speaking on this, he's not an expert.00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:11.840


Um and I understood they're saying like he doesn't have the credentials, but I also I have a very that's a big trigger for me.00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:15.519


Uh, I think that just because you have a certificate or a degree does not make you an expert.00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:17.840


What makes you an expert is experience.00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:18.400


100%.00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:26.079


Um, so I've gotten into it recently on I got into it with a doctor over peptides um for that's the exact reason.00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:30.320


Because she was coming after me saying, I've studied this for 30 years, and I said, But have you taken them?00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:33.920


No, I said, Then I'm then I'm sorry, but I I can't take your word.00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.280


Like you can talk, you've studied it, and 30 years is a long time.00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.239


I was also again a little bit in my ego with this response.00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:44.000


But I'm like, the best teacher is experience.00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:48.639


So if you haven't had it happen to you, if you haven't done it, then don't tell me what you think it does.00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:49.599


You don't know, you know.00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:51.119


It's the same way, even on The Bachelor.00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:53.840


People are like, you know, I would never have done what he did.00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:56.159


I was like, well, I thought I'd never do what I did either.00:48:56.239 --> 00:49:00.800


So the point is, is until you like, don't I don't care, you can tell me why I'd never fall in love with multiple people.00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:02.639


I don't, that means nothing to me.00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:08.239


Because like, until you go on the on that show and are in my shoes, your opinion means nothing.00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:10.000


Like, because you have no experience.00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:12.559


Because I said I would never fall in love with multiple people.00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:16.880


So, you know, it just yeah, anyways, it's it's that that that's a side note.00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:20.079


That was that's that's some reason I got animated on social media.00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:26.239


I went after this doctor and I was pissed me off because she came into my DMs or my comments and was trying to make me look bad in front of my audience.00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:28.880


I'm like, you came on my page, didn't ask you to.00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:38.480


And I'm like, and I was like, and I have a problem with people like I get I get attacked by therapists that call me a narcissist, that call me a monster, that they're cursing me out of my DMs, and I click on their bio and it's like therapist.00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:40.719


I'm like, you should take a little bit of your own medicine.00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:42.639


Like, you should get your license revoked too.00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:47.360


Because, like, like, do you think because you're a therapist that like now you can just spew?00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:48.320


What are you doing?00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:49.760


This is not what a therapist would do.00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.480


But they, oh, she had they have the title, so they think they can speak.00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.760


I had someone that called me out, she's an intuition coach.00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:56.880


And that one riled me up.00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:57.760


I almost blew up on her.00:49:57.840 --> 00:49:59.440


I was like, what is an intuition coach?00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:09.280


And how can you tell me that it's that it's not my intuition when intuition is is is based upon personal lived experience and it's what's I'm I'm feeling within.00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:13.760


How can you tell me as an outsider, no, not knowing who I am, whether that's my intuition or not?00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:18.960


So I digress, but like it's just this is just more like So trolling trolls is another hobby of yourself.00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:20.000


I never go there.00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:22.639


I because I again like I'm always like biting my tongue.00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:24.159


I'm like, I'm typing stuff out.00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:27.760


I'm like, no, because I'm like, it's not worth your time because you're just gonna what?00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.880


You're gonna attack them and you're probably gonna wreck their confidence.00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:32.800


And then like they're gonna go, like, for what?00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:34.079


Like, what do I gain from that?00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:40.800


Yeah, like if I wanted to, I could steamroll somebody online, but then like they're gonna just go down a dark path and at my doing.00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:42.880


And it's like, so who am I the better person?00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:46.079


Yeah, like I shut them up, but like at what cost?00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:47.119


Their own mental health.00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:51.519


And it's like, as much as I hate their negativity, I don't hate them as the person.00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:53.360


So I'm like, I could destroy you.00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:57.599


I just don't because like I know that like I don't want to actually do that to a person.00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:00.960


I hate what you're projecting, but I don't hate you as the human.00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:08.320


Like, you're just a hurt individual that needs help, and hopefully somebody can save you before like you do get someone that decides to right.00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:12.239


I wish there could be a way to regulate like who's allowed to comment online, right?00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:13.440


Oh, it'd be great.00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:14.000


Well, that's the problem.00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:18.480


And I was with social media, is like negativity gets you know, it's it's a they get a positive feedback loop.00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:19.280


They get validated.00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.079


Yes, you know, then anybody can say anything.00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:32.320


But yeah, and there's so much negativity online that like when you make a negative hot take, it gets a thousand thousand likes, and then that person goes, Oh, it what it does is it it tells them I should be more negative.00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:32.960


Yeah, yeah.00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.840


I'm getting validated, and really that's like those likes mean nothing.00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:38.559


You're those 100,000 likes you just had did what?00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:40.239


Like, did you just make more money?00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:42.559


Like, did you like do you have more opportunities coming?00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:45.599


No, like you just likes are they mean nothing, but I get it.00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:46.559


They feel like something at first.00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:48.880


When you first get them, it's like a drug.00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:55.519


I remember when I remember when I used to I came off reality television, I would post a video, I would sit there for the first five minutes and watch the likes.00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:56.159


Oh my god.00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:00.800


And I would just be like, it was like dopamine hits after 100, it would be 10,000 likes in 10 minutes.00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.159


I'm like, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, I'm important.00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:08.719


And you're just like, but then now you realize you're like, none of that matters.00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:09.679


Like it means nothing.00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:10.559


Are you ready for it?00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:11.360


I'm ready for it.00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:14.559


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They help you keep more in your wallet, we help you keep more in your relationship.00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:21.679


So we have a listener question.00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:30.239


Um, my boyfriend and I have been talking about marriage a lot lately, and I don't know how I feel about the financial aspect.00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:35.360


He wants to share everything, and I think I'd prefer to keep things separate.00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:42.159


Is combining finances really a sign of trust, or is it the beginning of something different?00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:43.519


That's a good question.00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:44.880


Do you want to answer that?00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:46.159


No, you go first.00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:53.119


All my answers are gonna be it depends upon the two people in that relationship.00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:57.440


And this is where that individual that asked that question, which I was wondering was a woman, right?00:52:58.000 --> 00:52:58.559


Yeah.00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:15.440


My advice to you is to rely heavily on your intuition and try to understand where where there's a block, why you're not so willing to just proceed with sharing everything.00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:18.400


It sounds like to me that she may make more than he does.00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:20.639


Uh that's my guess.00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:37.840


And so she's now maybe feeling a potential threat of like once mine becomes his, he may start draining our accounts, and that might then start create financial stress, which is the most is the biggest stressor in a relationship and has always been, as far as I understand.00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:42.639


So to me, the hesitancy is that I don't think she trusts.00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:44.960


I think that the lack of trust is already there.00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:46.960


Again, she doesn't trust him.00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:47.360


Yeah.00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:51.039


So for me, like me and my husband, my money is his money, his money is my money.00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:54.400


We have a joint account and we share everything because and we're so transparent.00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:59.760


I trust him fully, he trusts me fully, but you really have to have that trust and be on the same page financially, you know?00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:03.039


Because you you hear of these spouses that are just so frivolous with their money.00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:06.239


You know, I'd want to have a do you have a separate account?00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:08.079


No, you don't, not at all.00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:16.320


See, I would I think I would want to have a separate account because I want to be able to buy things for my partner that they don't know about.00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:18.719


And how do you do that if you share everything?00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:23.440


Well, do you hold on, but I I don't feel like do you go in and like check and look at like what you're buying every month though?00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:24.239


Because I hardly look ever.00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:25.280


I hardly ever look.00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:27.760


So I feel like most you I feel like you can get away with it.00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:36.880


But I'm I'm also the I'm also I was the little girl who would snoop in my mom's closet to find what Christmas gifts we were getting.00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:41.920


So like if I know my birthday's coming up, I'm going to check the accounts because I want to know.00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:43.039


I'm nosy like that.00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:44.639


Are you you are in a relationship right now?00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:44.800


No.00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:45.440


Oh, you're not?00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:45.599


Okay.00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:45.760


No.00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:53.199


Well, because I guess because I I think it's also like you're like, hey, well, thinking of it from your standpoint of like I would maybe go snoop around if I thought something was up.00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:57.360


But then it's like whenever you've, you know, you're with that partner, you're gonna, it's like, will they do that though?00:54:57.519 --> 00:54:59.920


They might be the person that's like, I'm not gonna go check.00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:00.480


Like, I'm gonna go.00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:02.159


So it's like your friend.00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:04.880


I just have to buy her shit in cash.00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:08.000


So then that's true.00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:08.880


That's true.00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:11.199


So they'll see the charge on the credit card, but it's Amazon's.00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:14.320


I hope he's not buying my birthday gifts from Amazon, whichever.00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:15.920


Well, you don't think it is?00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:17.360


You don't think Amazon has good quality?00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:20.159


I've I thought now I've I've gotten on board full with Amazon now.00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:27.679


No, I do, but there's just there's so many fake, like there's so many fake and um what do you call it?00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:28.559


It's like the knockoffs.00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:29.599


Like the knockoffs, yeah.00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:34.000


Like dupes and stuff that put the label on of what it is.00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:34.480


I don't know.00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:36.800


It's it's uh yeah, Amazon is fine.00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:39.280


Yeah, but you want you you you'd like the you'd like to do it.00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:40.320


Or more personalized.00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:42.480


I would like a more something more personal, yeah.00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:46.880


Or just something like authentic, real, like what it what it is, not some knockoff, like the real thing.00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:47.360


Yes.00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:49.679


You you you have you might you have a certain taste, that's fine.00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:51.280


Like I like nice things.00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:51.599


Yeah.00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:52.000


Yeah.00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:55.199


So we have a few listener questions specifically for you.00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:55.760


Okay.00:55:56.239 --> 00:55:57.679


We've kind of already answered this.00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:00.880


What are your thoughts on open relationships, open marriages, polyamory?00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:01.840


We've answered that.00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:05.679


Someone wants to know if you have any interest in men, which I think you've touched about.00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:10.480


Someone says, give me the most important piece of dating advice.00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:16.960


The most important piece of dating advice, um, that's what I harp on all the time, is uh authenticity.00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:24.239


So I really believe we have a pandemic of a lack of authenticity in our society.00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:30.960


Uh, I think everybody, especially with social media, is trying to be accepted and be cool and be seen as, wow, you have an incredible life.00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:37.199


And so everyone's putting their highlight reels on social media and everyone's afraid to step out of their comfort zone and go against the grain.00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:45.440


Uh the problem is, is like if you have within you, if you want to be, you know, different, you're you're you're depriving yourself of the person that's gonna allow you to be that.00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:54.079


Because if you push out a version of you that's not really you, it's like it's the it's the made up version, like then you're gonna attract a person that likes that version.00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:55.760


And that's what I used to do.00:56:55.920 --> 00:56:59.440


You know, I'm so grateful because like the dancing and all that, people go, oh, it's cringy.00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:00.079


I would never date it.00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:02.000


I'm like, I'm like, right, I would never date you.00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:07.440


Because like I don't want a woman that's going to look at me and be like, oh my gosh, this is so embarrassing.00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:10.400


I want a woman that's gonna be sitting there and like, are you gonna go and date?00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:11.920


Like, are you he look at this guy?00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:16.719


And I'm over there just bopping around, hitting dance moves in a bar or a wedding, and like they're like, Yeah, that's just Clayton.00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:17.920


Like, I gotta get out there right now.00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:19.039


I gotta I wanna go dance with them.00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:20.559


Like, I want that support, right?00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:28.000


So like if you're not really being fully authentic, then you're you're just hurting yourself because you're going to attract what you are.00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:34.239


And if like you're not anywhere close to what you really want to be, then like you're gonna keep attracting the exact opposite, right?00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:35.360


So it's like go be the goof.00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:38.000


If you want to be goofy, stop worrying about being cringy.00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:41.840


Like, you will be cringy to somebody, you'll be cringy to the wrong people, you'll repel them.00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:48.320


And I've repelled a ton of people, but it's like I repel those people, and then I attract the ones that are like, I just love goofs.00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:49.199


Yeah, and that's what I get.00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:50.639


I get the girls, like I'm a goof.00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:52.800


I'm not, I'm not like I'm just that's the way I am.00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:55.760


I like to not take life seriously, I like to just screw around.00:57:55.840 --> 00:58:02.320


And so I I do that, and that's what I attract now is the girls that are just like, I like a guy that doesn't take himself too seriously, but also has that confidence.00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:08.239


And so it's made dating way easier because I just I mean I naturally repel what's not meant for me.00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:14.079


My favorite quote since I was literally 13 years old has been in a world where you can be anything, be yourself.00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:19.519


Because I feel like nowadays people try to be someone they're not, but just be yourself, then you'll attract the people that you're supposed to be with.00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:20.400


Yeah, yeah.00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:24.719


The next one is do guys really like long nails and fake lashes?00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:27.679


It it depends on the guy.00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:32.079


All I can say, I come from so I come from Midwest Missouri.00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:35.440


Uh, I really feel like that kind of look is more like East West Coast.00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:40.079


It's it's like you don't see a lot of women that have like the long nails and eyelashes in the Midwest.00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:41.920


At least I don't remember that.00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:45.679


Um, so to me, it's it it's fake.00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:51.840


You know, like nails aren't actually that long, eyelashes aren't that long naturally, and I'm a big I love authenticity.00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:55.199


So to me, that means like I want real all across the board.00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:57.440


Um, if it makes a woman happy, that's great.00:58:57.519 --> 00:58:58.880


Like, but I can't speak for all men.00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:02.559


I can just say like for me personally, I want a woman that's natural as she can be.00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:06.159


Doesn't mean they can't have a little bit of filler there if it makes them happy, but like I like the natural look.00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:09.440


I'm like, I don't want all the filler, I don't the the plastic this plastic that.00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:13.840


I'm like, you know, again, I think like that's the east-west coast thing, and some people find that attractive.00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:17.840


The people that I've been around don't typically find that attractive.00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:23.039


Did you really love Susie, Gabby, and Rachel at the same time, or did you just want to have fun?00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:26.960


I loved each of them for for different things.00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:39.920


Um, I that question just uh yeah, I mean, it's not gonna upset me that much because I'm not on my high horse about that today, but um I just I didn't need to tell girls what they needed to hear to have sex or have fun with them.00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:41.360


Like I'm not that desperate.00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:46.400


Yeah, like I I did not need to be with any of those three women, could have been fine without it.00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:50.239


Um I just so explore relationships fully, so I did.00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:56.400


So when I hear that, I'm like, you you say that like I'm desperate and I've never been able to like get a girl to come back home with me.00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:58.239


Like that wasn't a problem.00:59:58.639 --> 00:59:59.840


You feel six foot five, I'm sure you don't know.01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:00.559


I have a problem.01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:03.440


People online love to say, like, like he's like, he's so cringy at you.01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:04.320


Like, I don't know, girl.01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:05.119


That's why he's single.01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:07.199


And I'm like, I'm single by choice.01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:09.519


It has nothing to do with like you guys act like I struggle.01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:10.000


I walk around.01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:11.199


Everyone's like, oh, he's hideous.01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:12.239


It's so embarrassing.01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:13.599


Like, he's a no-girl.01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:15.039


Oh my gosh.01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:16.320


Yeah, he's here.01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:17.599


Here he comes from under the bridge.01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:20.400


I'm like, who is your role model?01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:27.599


Um, I I don't know him personally, but I've always looked up to The Rock.01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:35.679


Um, because what I like about The Rock from the little I know about him, from what I've seen, is like that man is like he he looks like he's got everything, you know.01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:40.719


And he and and from what I've heard, people that work with him, they say like he never acts like he's better than ever anybody.01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:43.519


But he's also 6'3, he's 250, he's a good looking guy.01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:47.199


He's a multimillionaire, known by like he's probably the most well-known person on the planet.01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:49.519


And everything I've heard about him is he's so humble.01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:52.719


I'm like, that man has not allowed his ego to overtake him.01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:55.760


And I I look up to people like that because I want to be that way.01:00:55.840 --> 01:01:00.159


I'm still working through like, how do I possess confidence without becoming coming across cocky?01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:04.239


There have been a few things today that I've said on here that I'm like could be perceived as cocky.01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:06.639


And I'm still like, I'm I'm like, where's the balance?01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:09.840


Because I I want to have full confidence without coming across as cocky.01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:13.039


But then, yeah, my ego, I'm like, how do I you can't get rid of your ego.01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:16.800


So it's like, how do I how do I have an ego without like letting it become too much?01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:20.320


And I think when you start to get welled up with a ton of anger is typically when you cross that line.01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:23.039


But I think The Rock uh seems to do a great job.01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:25.360


I don't feel like you ever really see him getting pissed off.01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:25.760


Right.01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:27.280


You know, so I look up to them.01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:29.519


Can men and women be just friends?01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:35.760


Yes, if um this one, this one hit my DM, so I know I I already had this one in my head.01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:39.760


The answer is yes if one of the parties is not attracted to the other one.01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:43.679


So if they're both attracted, the answer is, in my opinion, no.01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:49.840


Um because like once you once you you know have the soul tire, you you interact intimately.01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:51.760


Like I actually, you know what?01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:53.440


There's still a time and a place where that can work.01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:57.280


Like you can have a friends of benefits, like it can work, it's hard.01:01:57.519 --> 01:02:02.639


And typically, like people, someone in their and I I had one once in my lifetime and it lasted like a year.01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:07.199


Um, and we stayed strictly friends, but at one point feelings were caught, so she had to take some time away.01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:08.960


And then she came back and was like, Okay, now I'm good.01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:11.599


I like we can just keep this strictly, you know, platonic.01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:13.119


Strictly dickly, yeah.01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:14.559


Yeah, and that's what it was.01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:23.840


And it was like then she was just like, I only got 20 minutes, I'm coming over, and I was like, okay, like, and that's and then we had the times where we we could be like she just had to come to terms with it, so it can happen.01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:25.840


Most times, no, the answer is no.01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:36.960


Um, I think you know, like emotions get involved, and so like, but if someone's not attracted to the other and they never cross that boundary, then like it doesn't mix it up because the second that you're intimate with somebody, you're on a whole nother level of connection.01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:39.920


Now we're gonna discuss this quick article.01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:43.119


The top five ethnicities that cheat the most.01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:44.000


Can you guess?01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:46.079


I sent this to you, so I already know.01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:48.239


What country do you think has the most infidelity?01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:48.960


Would you guess?01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:50.159


Most country.01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:51.280


What country?01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:52.320


Number one cheaters.01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:53.679


I feel like we as the US.01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:54.880


That's what I would have thought.01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:56.239


Number five, India.01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:56.639


Okay.01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:57.599


That's kind of shocking.01:02:57.840 --> 01:02:58.719


Four, French.01:02:58.960 --> 01:02:59.840


The bloody French.01:02:59.920 --> 01:03:00.159


Okay.01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:01.679


Three, USA was number three.01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:02.559


Number three, okay.01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:05.920


Two, Nigeria, and I'm still in denial about number one.01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:06.639


England!01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:07.760


England! What?01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:08.639


I'm from England!01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:10.480


England's pretty sex pause, from what I hear.01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:10.880


Yeah.01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:13.679


Well, they're very open about their sexuality, so maybe.01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:15.280


I was disappointed with that one.01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:21.519


I was surprised because when I saw that video, it was one of those, like it was like a guessing game, right?01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:25.679


So one of the guys was guessing which countries.01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:31.199


And Italian, one of his first guests was Italian, was Italian men, Italian people or whatever.01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:32.639


Um, and that wasn't on there.01:03:33.039 --> 01:03:35.519


And so I was like waiting for number one, waiting for number one.01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:39.519


And when he said England, I was like, oh my god, I have to send this still in.01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:40.800


So funny.01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:44.239


Now it's time for the celebrity cup where we marinate in the juices of the celebrities.01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:45.039


So we gotta talk.01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:46.960


Because I keep seeing her in the news, Laura Owens.01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:48.159


Like, what the hell?01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:49.840


You're one of her many victims, right?01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:51.039


Are you able to talk about it?01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:51.519


Yeah, yeah.01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:51.760


Yeah.01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:53.199


Didn't she do this to many guys?01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:54.159


Yeah, there's five.01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:54.800


Uh what?01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:56.800


And you weren't even intimate with her, right?01:03:57.039 --> 01:03:58.800


Well, she how much can I say on this?01:03:58.880 --> 01:03:59.519


Can I say whatever on this?01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:00.159


Whatever, yeah.01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:01.840


Okay, yeah, she gave me a head twice.01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:04.159


So you can penetrate her.01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:06.880


So there's no way that she could be pregnant with your twins.01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:10.079


No, but like the concern that I had, because people go, well, well, that doesn't make sense.01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:10.719


Then hold on now.01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:12.719


And I'm like, okay, this is what I thought happened.01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:13.920


I thought she trapped me.01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:15.840


Trapping, I don't know if you know what the term is.01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:24.000


It's basically like when a woman like it gets pregnant from a man who did not mean to get a woman pregnant, but like she went out of her way to like inseminate herself.01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:25.199


Like turkey based or something.01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:25.679


Turkey based.01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:26.320


What?01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:27.519


Yes, and it happens.01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:31.519


Or a girl, like more common, a girl will be like, Yeah, I'm on the pill when they're not, or they skip a pill, guy.01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:34.320


You know, then it's like, okay, she's on the pill, he comes inside of her, she gets pregnant.01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:36.079


She's like, Oh my gosh, I guess the pill didn't work.01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:37.760


Uh it happens with athletes.01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:38.960


I saw I can imagine.01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:43.599


Saw with multiple athletes happen when I was back when I was an athlete, and then celebrities happen as well.01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:48.719


Well, I thought that, you know, the second time she gave me head, she got up quickly, went to the bathroom.01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:52.960


And that when she said she was pregnant, I was like, she spit it in her hand and shoved it upper.01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:55.119


I was like, that's the only way.01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:56.719


I was like, that's the only way it could have happened.01:04:56.800 --> 01:04:57.599


And I was like, she did it.01:04:58.000 --> 01:04:59.840


I was like, she did run to the bathroom right afterwards.01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:02.880


So but then she created a fake ultrasound picture.01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:04.559


Oh, she's done, she's went, she's done a lot.01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:11.039


So when she came to you and said, I'm pregnant, did you you assume that she did it herself, but did you believe her that she was actually pregnant?01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:20.559


No, well, I didn't want to believe her at first, but I again because I had seen trapping actually successfully happen in my pre in my past life, I was like, gosh damn it, she fucking did it.01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:22.239


You know, I was like, She got me, I got got.01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:25.679


And so I was like, I don't, but then things start not adding up.01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:27.679


I was like, well, it's very low probability.01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:29.119


But she's like, well, it happened.01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:29.840


I don't know what to tell you.01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:33.519


We were grinding on each other, and you're you pre you pre-came, and I was like, No, I can I can feel that.01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:34.559


So you can't feel pre-came.01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:37.280


I was like, I was like, look, I know I didn't because I wasn't that excited.01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:39.840


I was like, you have to be a certain level excited to have that happen.01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:43.599


And I wasn't there, sorry, you know, and she was like, Well, it happened.01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:48.800


So I was in denial, but then when I started saying, like, hey, well, like, let's do the ultrasound, let's do the paternity test.01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:52.719


And then when she was started to make excuses for those things, I was like, Oh, you're making this shit up.01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:53.840


You know, I was like, You have to be.01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:59.519


She's like, Oh, we'll just wait till like the till the I give birth, which she chose the you know what the due date was?01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:00.239


February 14th.01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:00.639


Oh my god.01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:01.840


Oh my god, are you serious?01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:04.960


She filled out documents, and then I got it served by a the officer.01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:09.920


I was evading the the the documents because I was like, the second you get the documents, you have to respond to them.01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:10.320


Yeah.01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:13.840


So I was evading them, and then I I get off the elevator one day at my apartment complex.01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:16.320


Two cops are standing right there, and I'm like, God damn it.01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:18.400


I'm with my neighbors in the elevator with me.01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:20.079


He stops to like watch like what's going on.01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:21.280


Is he about to get arrested?01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:23.119


And they're like, we have to serve you these papers.01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:24.400


And I'm like, what the hell?01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:25.920


Who are the other men?01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:31.760


Because I read that there's is there like five other Scottsdale men that have lost suits?01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:33.679


Five other Scottsdale men.01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:39.039


There's one Phoenix guy, and then there's one guy from San Francisco.01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:42.719


Those two guys are are now known publicly and have come out and spoken.01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:48.079


And are they also sort of public figures, or are they just no, they're all the rest of these guys are all private.01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:49.360


So what are her intentions?01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:50.480


Like, is she wanting money?01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:51.679


Like, is she just crazy?01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:53.039


Does she want the attention?01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:54.079


Why does she do this?01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:57.599


She does it because it's a fur it's also a family ordeal.01:06:57.760 --> 01:06:59.199


Their whole family's involved then on it.01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:05.519


Um and I believe that the reason she personally does it is it's something her and her mother share together.01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:07.440


Like it's a kind of twisted dynamic.01:07:07.599 --> 01:07:11.280


Um, I her mother's like the ringleader uh and is heavily involved.01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:22.239


And I bel they do it, my understanding is because they hate men and um they want to basically get back at men that don't want to be with them.01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:36.239


So I know that her mother felt slighted being in the sp in the shadows of her husband, who was a ABC radio host out of San Francisco for 30 years, and she was like a well-known publicist, but not she wasn't as big time as he was.01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:44.400


So I was told by people close to the family that like she always hated that she was known as Ron Owen's wife, you know, not Jan.01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:45.599


Not known as her son.01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:53.280


Yeah, so uh that apparently started to spark her being coming angry at men and why, you know, like why are they, you know, being placed above us?01:07:53.440 --> 01:08:03.519


And then Laura just when a man didn't want to date her, decided to try to destroy the them and their lives to basically get them to feel as worthless as she does because she doesn't have any self-love.01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:05.280


How did you meet her in the first place?01:08:05.519 --> 01:08:06.880


She reached out to me on LinkedIn.01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:07.360


Okay.01:08:07.599 --> 01:08:13.360


Said she wanted to buy a house, and I just got my license, and so I was like, Oh, this is incredible.01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:14.239


People are reaching out to me.01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:15.519


Like, this is what I was told would happen.01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:17.439


Let me guess, she didn't buy a house from you.01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:20.880


We did go see houses, but she at least have a prequel.01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:24.000


She had proof of funds that were fraudulent.01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:24.560


Yeah, it's a lot of people.01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:25.840


Fraudulent!01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:28.399


Yeah, that are now gonna come bite her in the ass.01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:31.199


She's facing 14 felony charges in 57 years in prison.01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:32.079


I saw that.01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:33.760


Like 57 is convicted.01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:34.640


When is her trial?01:08:35.199 --> 01:08:35.439


July.01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:35.760


July.01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:37.760


They just pushed it back because they added seven more charges on.01:08:37.840 --> 01:08:40.479


So now she's now they had to push it back to give her her lawyer more time.01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:42.239


That's more time than Diddy got.01:08:42.399 --> 01:08:42.479


Right.01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:44.079


Well, I think they're trying to make it crazy.01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:48.560


Yeah, I think that this uh, I mean, uh Rachel Mitchell, the county attorney out here, doesn't play around.01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:54.560


And she, what I appreciate is that she's like, you know, we can this this does happen um and it needs to be held accountable.01:08:54.720 --> 01:09:00.239


Like there needs to be this should scare women that are going to try to defraud men from doing it.01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:00.560


Yeah.01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:03.760


Like if you know that you could get hit with 57 years, you might not do it now.01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:04.560


And that's what we need.01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:08.960


It's not, we should still believe, like, we shouldn't believe all women the same way we shouldn't believe all men, right?01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:16.000


But like we should definitely try to deter people that are going to try to abuse the court system to destroy men and the reputations and men that do it to women.01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:22.239


So if all of a sudden you slap somebody with 57 years for making something up, um it's gonna stop somebody in the future from making something up.01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:26.239


Yeah, and and it's I and people say, well, it'll deter actual victims.01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:31.119


I don't believe that because it's like if like this girl has blatantly flat out lied and abused the system.01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:34.000


So like that's why she's also getting hit with this.01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:38.239


Like, I if somebody was like, you know, telling the truth, uh they're not gonna be facing 57 years.01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:46.880


This woman has has wasted police resources, city resources, like has she was telling the police to fuck off that we're raiding her her house.01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:48.560


She's called out the county attorney.01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:52.239


It's like, so you're pissing, like you're blatantly disrespecting the people in power.01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:53.680


The justice system.01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:57.600


So they're going to show you what happens when you blatantly disrespect the court system.01:09:58.239 --> 01:09:58.479


Yeah.01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:02.800


Now it's time to get to know you with Zoeyo, sponsored by Zoeu, our your neighborhood yogurt.01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:04.239


Rapid fire questions, okay?01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:04.479


Okay.01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:06.640


Favorite body partner girl.01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:11.840


Well, I mean, if we're being honest, it's like the first thing ask.01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:15.199


Craziest thing you've done to impress a date.01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:16.800


Craziest thing I've done.01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:18.239


Decides to take her on a helicopter.01:10:18.479 --> 01:10:20.960


Well, I was gonna say, we're gonna all versus.01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:27.760


To impress a date.01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:29.680


Craziest thing you've done to impress a date.01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:31.920


Okay, what about impression press like a relationship?01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:35.279


I made it, I made a rap video after three years in a relationship.01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:37.119


And I thought that that was like I went above and beyond.01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:39.920


I put together a whole video, and I thought that was pretty pretty cool.01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:41.359


You still have it, we want to see it.01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:42.079


I know!01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:46.159


I don't have it, but sh uh, she probably doesn't either at this point.01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:46.960


She's funny.01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:48.319


She's married with a kid.01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:50.880


What should someone not do on a first date?01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:54.079


Uh not be themselves.01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:57.199


Where should someone not take a girl on a first date?01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:02.720


I mean, uh it's uh it always depends, but I suppose like I'll just some extreme.01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:07.359


Don't take them out to a strip club, and uh kind of a What's your go-to pickup line?01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:08.720


Do you have a pickup line?01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:10.640


I uh I don't know.01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:13.840


Well is porn is watching porn considered cheating?01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:17.680


It depends on the person.01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:25.039


I personally think no, but I don't watch porn either, so before you're intimate, is it appropriate to ask your date how many people they've been with?01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:26.880


Is it appropriate?01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:27.520


Sure.01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:28.079


Yeah.01:11:28.399 --> 01:11:29.359


I mean it is, yeah.01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:31.279


Would you do another reality show?01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:31.840


Yeah.01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:34.319


Is it acceptable to have sex on the first date?01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:34.880


Yes.01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:38.079


Should you disclose mental health issues early on in a relationship?01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:39.039


Yes.01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:40.479


Would you date internationally?01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:41.199


Yes.01:11:41.520 --> 01:11:43.359


What is the craziest first date you've ever been on?01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:44.880


We didn't ask him this one, so I snuck it in.01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:47.359


Craziest first date, and we're gonna say not out not on the show.01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:50.880


Like craziest like catfish or something bad that happened.01:11:52.000 --> 01:12:05.600


Um I'm trying to think if there's even more that there was one recently, within the last six months, where we God wasn't even really crazy though.01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:10.079


I haven't had any like major, major basically all that happened was like we went on a sushi date.01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:12.560


She like after an hour was like, I'm cold, can we go?01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:14.239


And I was like, Oh yeah, for sure.01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:16.880


And we like get out and she's like, I want to go to Dave and Buster's.01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:25.359


And I'm like, which actually is apparently a hot spot, like for for men out there, like at least out here, like, and it's fun, but I've had I went out now, like three girls that were like, let's go to Dave and Buster's.01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:26.560


So it's like a hot spot for women.01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:33.119


I don't know why or to go on a date, but it is a ton of fun because you're just playing games and like and you get to compete with one another or like work together.01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:35.680


So that's been like also just free game for Everwatch.01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:41.840


Like, take a girl to Dave and Busters because it's like I had three women like I we should go to Dave and Busters, and I'm like, what is up with Dave and Busters?01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:43.840


But then I went, and all three dates were great.01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:45.359


I was like, this is like so easy, too.01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:49.439


I don't have to like sit and try to talk, we're getting we're distracted by games, you know.01:12:49.520 --> 01:12:53.840


So um, anyways, this this date was like, yeah, let's go to David Busters.01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:57.520


And then um, she's like, Okay, I I have to go back to my house soon change, so follow me.01:12:57.680 --> 01:13:03.680


So I get in the car or I get in my car, she gets in her car, she proceeds to go 100 miles an hour on the highway and just zooms off.01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:05.840


And I just was like, I'm not going 100 miles an hour.01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:07.680


She was in her Tesla, ripping it.01:13:07.760 --> 01:13:10.159


So I just pulled off the highway and just turned around and drove home.01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:13.520


And she she texted me like 20 minutes later, she's like, Where'd you go?01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:21.119


And I was like, Hey, um, you know, you just zoomed off, and like I don't think the day went that well, so like we should just, you know, this should just be the end of it, the end of it.01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:22.399


That's funny.01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:23.279


That's funny.01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:25.840


Okay, do you consider these red flags?01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:31.039


She's best friends with her ex But I I can't give an explanation.01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:31.760


This is just rapid fire.01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:33.359


Yes or no, rapid fire.01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:33.840


No.01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:35.760


She uses Snapchat.01:13:36.079 --> 01:13:36.399


No.01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:38.800


She posts Jim mirror selfies.01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:42.159


So wait, you don't think it's a red flag if she uses Snapchat?01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:43.439


I knew you were gonna say.01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:44.319


Do you care?01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:49.039


No, because I uh I mean, look, I I'm gonna air myself out here.01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:49.600


It's the truth.01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:54.960


I I still have Snapchat myself, but it's because me and my brothers have a group chat, and that's where we do all of our conversating.01:13:55.039 --> 01:13:57.600


We send videos and photos and we talk every day.01:13:57.680 --> 01:14:01.279


We we just don't do it on nor normal text because like it's not the same.01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:12.880


My family chat is on Snapchat too, and it's the only reason why I still have a Snapchat because our family, because my brother is the only one without an iPhone, and so we have to have our group chat on something that's not iMessaging.01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:13.039


Yeah.01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:20.640


Yeah, no, and like, and I had no, like I've had girls over the course when I was dating, you know, or I was single that were like, Oh, do you have Snapchat?01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:21.680


And I was like, Yeah, I do.01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:27.119


And so then some girls are like, Oh, and I'm like, Again, like you're ex you're thinking, like, what but really, what's so wrong about it?01:14:27.199 --> 01:14:28.399


It's apparently it's like an immaturity thing.01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:30.800


It's just like like you're 32, what are you doing on this?01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:36.000


Well, and I think I assume it's because you want to send nudes or inappropriate pictures because people do that on the DMs.01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:37.840


They got the they got vanish mode on the DMs.01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:38.800


Oh, did they add another?01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:41.840


So I was like, I'm like, the what I'm like the again, the app itself.01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:43.520


I was like, you you gotta look past that.01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:47.199


Like if you think that like the Snapchat was actually created for cheating.01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:48.000


Like that's what I was told.01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:54.560


Originally, the owner, the whole creator created it for cheating, and then it turned into like like just people using it for a multitude of different things.01:14:54.640 --> 01:14:57.279


But it's like the same thing where it's like people say, Oh, Tinder's a hookup app.01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:00.560


And I'm like, I've hooked up with more women off the hinge than I ever have off Tinder.01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:02.000


So I met my husband on Tinder.01:15:02.159 --> 01:15:02.560


Yeah, yeah.01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:03.279


So there you go.01:15:03.439 --> 01:15:03.520


Yeah.01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:04.800


So yeah.01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:06.239


What if she doesn't make a bed?01:15:06.319 --> 01:15:07.359


Is that a red flag?01:15:08.319 --> 01:15:09.279


It's not a red flag.01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:11.840


She doesn't believe in foreplay.01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:15.119


I've never met a I don't think I've ever met a woman that's not in.01:15:15.359 --> 01:15:20.880


So I I mean, I guess that would be a red flag because I've never met a woman that's she owns a sword and it's not for decoration.01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:23.119


Well, what would it be used for then?01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:26.560


Like she's does she's like, Oh, don't they have some martial arts that use swords?01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:26.960


I don't know.01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:29.680


I would say actually a massive green flag.01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:33.119


Because if it's not for decoration, like there's she's doing something fun and different with it.01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:36.560


So she brings her ex up on the first date.01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:37.760


That's not a red flag.01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:40.640


She follows her ex on social media and likes his posts.01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:45.920


Wait, are we are are you not this is just you haven't you're not dating?01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:47.680


Oh, you're dating, yeah.01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:49.680


And she's liking her ex's posts on social media.01:15:50.399 --> 01:15:51.920


Only because she likes the following is not a problem.01:15:52.239 --> 01:15:54.479


She wears flip-flops and pajamas on a plane.01:15:55.279 --> 01:15:56.159


That's not a red flag.01:15:56.479 --> 01:15:57.840


She uses L O L in text.01:15:58.399 --> 01:15:59.119


Not a red flag.01:15:59.279 --> 01:16:02.880


And last but not least, what is your favorite sexual position and why?01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:09.600


Uh um I'm just I'm just I don't know why I'm like hesitating on this.01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:11.199


Like, like I've not said so many mild things.01:16:13.119 --> 01:16:14.960


This is the one where I was like, oh like this is intimate.01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:16.640


Like, I don't like I've shared a lot in my life.01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:17.840


Did we just make him blush?01:16:18.319 --> 01:16:19.600


No, this is actually getting me a little bit.01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:23.359


Like, I was like, man, I normally don't get like like caught up on a question.01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:29.279


Um I'm uh you know, I'm kind of like a teddy brown kind of I'm a lover, so like I like face-to-face.01:16:29.439 --> 01:16:32.159


So good old like me on top, them on their back.01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:32.800


Like, what does that mean?01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:33.680


Missionary missionary.01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:35.119


Yeah, that's that's my favorite.01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:36.319


Do you have any other questions?01:16:36.479 --> 01:16:39.199


No, but I will say flip-flops on an airplane is gross.01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:43.760


We've never included, we've never included that one in the is it a red flag or not?01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:46.079


I think wearing your bare feet.01:16:46.319 --> 01:16:48.159


But you wear flip-flops, so you're not bare feet.01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:49.920


I don't think that's a red flag.01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:53.439


Is it more a red flag because there's no socks?01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:54.079


Because I can't.01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:55.760


So that's an athlete thing, though.01:16:56.159 --> 01:16:57.600


I rock socks with slides.01:16:57.840 --> 01:16:58.239


Yeah.01:16:58.640 --> 01:16:59.840


That that's okay on a plane.01:16:59.920 --> 01:17:00.960


I'm okay with socks and slides.01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:05.039


But open toes through an airport and on an airplane is.01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:08.479


What if they're like going to Mexico and they're, you know, like they got sandals on?01:17:08.880 --> 01:17:10.800


Put your sandals on when you get there.01:17:11.359 --> 01:17:12.399


I I can kind of kind of see it.01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:13.199


Like you're you got open toes.01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:13.680


I think it's more.01:17:14.800 --> 01:17:16.720


I'm more so disgusting as people are freaky with toes.01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:24.560


That's more just like, I'm not gonna, like, I'm not letting you see my toes because I get people that DM me, they're like, I I'll take a I'll do like a story, and my toes will be in the story somehow.01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:26.479


And they'll be like, ooh, I like your toes.01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:28.079


I'm like, I'm a feat finder.01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:29.279


I'm like, what the hell, guys?01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:30.079


You guys are freaks.01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:30.720


That is hell.01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:33.119


Good on y'all, but like, yeah, so that's more what it is.01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:41.039


I'm like, I don't I don't want to be walking to the airport and like catch somebody just looking at me being like on a second those.01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:43.199


Did you have anything else you wanted to add?01:17:43.439 --> 01:17:44.720


No, I think I ranted plenty.01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:48.479


Well, thank you so much for joining us this week at the meat market, and thank you so much, Clayton.01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:50.720


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Oh my god, I just totally got catfished.01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:03.279


He looks absolutely nothing like his picture.01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:08.319


So I found out the guy that I've been dating is married with kids.01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:10.960


His wife just reached out to me.