Dec. 17, 2025

Valerie Rewrote the Rules, and Everyone’s Taking Notes 💅

The first message looks perfect, the photos even better, until reality shows up with a completely different face.

Valerie spills all the tea on catfish chaos, love bombing, and gaslighting that turned a four-year relationship into a masterclass in ignoring your gut.

She shares the shocking moment she found proof and why giving a second chance only made her ex sneakier.

We talk dating across genders, STEM vibes, making the first move on Bumble and Hinge, and tiny habits that reveal big red flags.

Hear about a bikini barista date gone hilariously wrong, wild stories with financial domination, and even some celebrity app drama.

If you want laughs, jaw-dropping moments, and real dating hacks, hit play, share with a friend, and leave a review.

Singles, slide into Valerie’s DMs and see if you can earn that green-flag nod.

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00:00 - Cold Open: Catfish And Chaos

00:15 - Hosts Introduce Valerie

00:29 - Toxic Ex: Red Flags And Gaslighting

02:00 - Love Bombing And Early Lies

03:20 - The Waxer Story And The Letter J

05:20 - Dating Men And Women: Preferences

07:30 - Apps, Approach, And Meeting IRL

10:05 - Types, STEM, And Where To Go Out

12:40 - Flirting, Open Vs Monogamous

14:20 - Traditional Roles And Making The First Move

15:30 - Goals: Marriage, Kids, And Timeline

17:00 - Physical Preferences And Deal Breakers

20:00 - Bad Date: Bikini Barista Coffee

22:10 - Cheating Discovery And Aftermath

25:20 - Trust, Second Chances, And Hiding Better

27:40 - Keep More Minute: Mom Booking Appointments

29:20 - New Trend: Financial Domination

32:30 - First Date Ideas And Power Dynamics

34:10 - Celebrity Cut: Kathy Griffin On Apps

36:10 - Catfish Verification And Scammer Tactics

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Oh my god, I just totally got catfished.

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He looks absolutely nothing like his picture.

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So I found out the guy that I've been dating is married with kids.

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His wife just reached out to me.

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Welcome to the meat market.

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The single scene is a slaughterhouse, and we are here to devour it.

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We are your hosts.

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I'm Lindsay.

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I'm Jess.

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And today's sizzling single is Valerie.

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Welcome.

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Hi.

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So we hear you have a toxic ex.

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Tell us about that.

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Ugh, yes.

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I won't say too many things, but I do have a toxic ex.

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It was a woman.

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I was with her for four years.

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And I should have seen it from the very beginning.

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There were red flags everywhere.

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She was very flirty with her friends.

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And anytime I would mention, like, hey, I think this friend might like you, she would get upset at me and we would have arguments.

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But she was the first woman I ever dated, so I ignored a lot of signs.

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And she was very quick to I guess uh turn it around on me.

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I hate it when people do that.

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Spin things to make themselves the victim.

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Exactly.

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And she was really good at it.

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Like, if I can give a crown to the best manipulator in the world, it would be her.

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Interesting.

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What were some of the other red flags besides being super flirty?

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Uh keeping a lot of secrets.

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Oh, huge red flag.

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Yeah.

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And then getting caught in lies.

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She was a huge liar.

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Like I would catch her in small lies.

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Like she would say, Oh, I'm going to Chicago for a weekend.

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And then it turns out she wasn't.

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She was at home.

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Yeah.

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Was she a love bomber?

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Oh, yeah.

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Did she love bomb you?

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She was the best at that as well.

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She took me on the best dates.

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She said she loved me, I think, within two months.

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And let's see, we traveled a lot, like within the first year.

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People who love bomb, they're the worst.

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Why is that?

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They're the cheaters and they're the toxic.

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But so speaking of love, toxic love bombing.

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So I was recently, why do I have so many stories recently when I'm at my waxer?

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So I was recently getting a wax.

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And so like a little background information.

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So my waxer had a baby.

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So she was on maternity leave.

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And then I was out of town for like five weeks.

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And so I hadn't seen her in a long time, right?

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And so she just because I hadn't seen her, she's like, Are we just doing the regular?

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And I'm like, well, yeah, like what?

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I mean, are people doing like designs or something down there?

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Like, what?

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Like, what do you mean?

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And she's like, no, actually, she's like, last year on Valentine's Day, a woman asked me to wax an initial into her pubic hair.

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Oh.

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And I was like, oh my God.

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I was like, did you do it?

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And she said, yeah.

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And I was like, that sounds like a toxic love bombing situation.

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And I said, what was the letter?

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And she goes, guess what letter it was?

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And I guessed it on the first guess.

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Jay?

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So I guess it was Jay! I guess it was on the first guess.

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So I was gonna ask you, what's your do you have a guess for a toxic name?

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So or a toxic letter.

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Well, if it's Jay, then I was did they tell you the name?

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Yeah, she said it was Jay.

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She didn't tell me the name, but she said the letter that she waxed in was a J.

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It's funny how people always say, never date a guy that starts with a J.

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Why?

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Is it because there's so many names with Jay?

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Justin, Jake.

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I don't know.

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Why is Jay?

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Well, and maybe because it's common across races, because there's like there's Jose and all like Jay names in in Latin.

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And then Jaden and Jalen and one of the worst guys that I ever dated was a Jay.

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Me too.

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Yeah.

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Oh my gosh.

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Yeah.

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Actually, no, I think really?

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Yeah, I dated a Juan and I dated a what was his name?

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Javion?

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Javier, something like that.

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And they were bad.

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Yeah, very bad.

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Very toxic.

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So you date men and women.

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Do you have a preference between the two?

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I do.

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As of the last few years, I prefer to date women, but I am open to still dating men.

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I'm just very picky.

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Yeah.

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What is the biggest difference between the two?

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Would you say?

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I would say the biggest difference would have to be the lack of toxic masculinity.

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So obviously women were a lot softer, and there's not like a competition of who can get the bill or who looks tough or who can be the protector.

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It's kind of like you're just besties that are also attracted to each other, if that makes sense.

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So who in your preference, who does get the bill when you go out with a woman?

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Okay, typically not me.

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But I'm more open to it.

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I feel like with men, unfortunately, I already have the idea that they should, you know, pay for things.

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So I don't typically offer.

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Yeah.

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So how do you meet women out here?

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Are you on the dating apps?

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I am now.

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Um, I am on bumble and hinge.

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And so far it's going okay, it's not going great.

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Let me be honest.

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It's not going great because I feel like you're just swiping left and then on hinge, the ones that reach out to me are saying the craziest things.

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And I kind of feel like I should take a break from it.

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Isn't is Hinge the one where the man is supposed to message first?

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Bumble.

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Oh, that's bumble.

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Okay, I was gonna ask then how that works if it's if it's two women, if you're interested in women.

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That's a good question.

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So with two women, it's up to both of us.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I still don't message first.

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So what's your type?

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What do you like?

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The feminine type?

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What is it, the lipstick lesbians that they call them?

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Yes.

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So I would like to say as far as attraction, I'm open to all, like more masculine or more feminine.

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But when it comes to relationship, I prefer what we call a STEM.

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What is that?

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So it's like a stud and femme mixed together.

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And so it's like the play on masculine and feminine energy in one person.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Is there like a place, like a club that you can go to to meet other women or like physical places where you can meet them in the wild?

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Yes.

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There is.

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So do you want me to say the names of them?

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There's Charlie's, which I don't actually suggest going there because everyone's very chaotic.

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Really?

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But it's a gay bar, so a lot of gay men and then like gay women and even straight people go there.

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Yeah, I've been to Charlie's many times.

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I like Charlie's.

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I like the taco shop.

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I like the taco shop that's attached to it.

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No, right?

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Taco tacos.

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Everyone always says that.

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Like if you go there, you go there for the tacos and the quesadillas.

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Yep.

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But people don't know you can also go there for the burgers.

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It sounds crazy, but if you wait an hour, you'll get the best burger you've ever had.

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Are they still cash only, the taco place?

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No.

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Because I remember years ago, my friend and I were going and we were literally tearing his car apart trying to find change because neither one of us had any cash and we won.

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I was so mad.

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It was so funny.

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Did you ever find some?

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Oh yeah, we found some.

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You found enough change for the tacos.

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Like offering services to people that's funny because I was with my gay friend, so I would have offered his services for nine dollars this way.

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I love that.

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That is very gay coded too.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So there used to be, there used to be a bar, cash.

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Was it called Cash in?

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Does that still is that still a place here?

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Oh, I wasn't more about the Classbian bar.

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I think it was more women than it was men in terms of a gay bar.

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But I don't know what I'm saying.

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I think I've been there.

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I don't I haven't been there for years and years and years, but I do remember that place.

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Okay.

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I think I might know what you guys are referring to.

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It might be this bar that's next to Karumbas.

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I don't know if you've heard of Karumbas.

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It's Phoenix.

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Phoenix?

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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McDowell.

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I feel like Cash was on McDowell.

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Maybe.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I feel like I don't know.

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I feel like you probably have better luck just going to any old place.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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Than going to a specific gay bar.

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Have you ever if if you see a woman that you're attracted to, do you make the first move?

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Okay, so oftentimes I do make the first move, but I'm a flirt.

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So what is your line?

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Compliment them.

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So go up and tell them, oh my gosh, I love your outfit, or you're so beautiful, or like, I've been seeing you around.

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You know, the typical things.

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And that just gets them to pay attention.

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And then you see how they look at you, like if they're interested, if they're actually gay, and you go from there.

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And how do you feel about like polyamorous relationships?

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Would you be open to that?

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It's also very popular in the community.

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Is it really?

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Yeah, but I'm not more of a poly girl.

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I feel like I would say I'm either monogamous or open.

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Okay.

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So for me, I like all the attention.

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But we can possibly explore someone together, or I don't care if my partner's like flirting with someone as long as I'm aware.

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So you're okay for like a one-night thing, but not for like of an entire relationship.

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You're not comfortable.

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Yeah.

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Unless it's like we see this friend every few months and hook up with them, then I can be comfortable with that.

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But again, I have to be the main person that you think about.

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If you're attracted to a man and you're you're out in public attracted to a man, are you gonna go up to the man as well like you would with a woman, or do you prefer to take the more traditional let the man come to you role?

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That's a good question.

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I feel like I would prefer to take the more traditional role, but there have been times where I go up to a man, I'm just like, you look really good.

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And I've realized that some men that I'm attracted to aren't the type to go up to a woman because they don't want to offend anyone.

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So if I do want to like start dating a man and I see them in public, I know that I'll probably have to go up to them.

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Yeah.

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What are you looking for?

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Are you looking to get married?

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Do you want children?

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Do you want something serious?

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So right now I I'm mostly focused on having fun, but also getting to know someone that I can eventually be in a serious relationship with.

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And I do want to get married, I'm just not sure when.

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In my head, I have to make sure that I'm completely financially stable.

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You know, I've done a lot of traveling, I've lived my best life, then I can consider marriage and possibly kids.

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You're still young.

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How old are you?

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I'm 28.

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Okay, so you're still young.

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You have plenty of time.

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Yeah.

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When you see yourself as a wife, do you see yourself as a wife to a woman or to a wife as a man?

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Right now to a woman.

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To a woman.

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Yeah.

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So when I was younger, really up until four years ago, I can imagine myself married to a man.

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But then once I started dating women, because that's when I came out, I realized that it might be more of my speed to marry a woman.

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But again, we'll see in like 10 years.

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I'll give myself ten years.

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Do you date older?

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What is your age range?

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Older.

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I would say two years to ten years older than me.

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Okay.

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Um describe your type physically.

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For both men and women.

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For women.

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Women.

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Okay, so I would say if we're talking about height, 5'5 to 5'10.

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I don't like someone who's like way taller than me.

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I feel like my neck is gonna hurt if I'm looking up all the time.

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And then build it's a toss between like curvy or athletic.

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Like I could appreciate both, you know.

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And what about men?

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Men?

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Okay.

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So I know I just said that neck thing, they can't be much taller, but I feel like with men, I would say 5'9 to 6'2 and definitely athletic build.

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I like a basketball way, basketball player type build.

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Like I am open to other things, especially if we connect on other levels, but yeah, basketball player.

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What are your deal breakers?

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Liars.

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That's a bill big deal breaker for me because I was lied to a lot in my previous relationship.

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And I'm a very honest person.

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You ask me a question, I'll just tell you like no restraints.

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So if you lie to me, we're not going to get along.

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And disrespectful people.

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Like if you can disrespect your parents, that's a huge red eye.

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I hate that.

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Right.

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I've I've broken up with guys because I've seen how they treat their parents, and it's it's hard to watch.

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It's heartbreaking.

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So I broke up with a guy once because he was complaining about taking his mom to church on Easter Sunday, and like church was so early.

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And I was like, it's Easter Sunday, and your mother wants her son to take her to church.

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Yeah.

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Why like I get it if you don't want to go, cool, that's fine, but keep that to yourself.

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You don't need to sit here and complain to me about it for 10 minutes, you know.

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Wow.

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So he didn't like his mom at all.

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I mean, I mean, I he didn't like taking her to church on Easter.

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And it kind of I feel like it's an indicator of how he's gonna treat you in a relationship.

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Is he gonna not want to take you somewhere?

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That's how that's how I saw it.

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It was like I didn't see it as like I don't think he disliked his mom or had a bad relationship with her.

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Because I think he was close with his mom, but just hearing him complain about having to get up early and take her to church, it was like, is this how you talk to your friends about taking me out?

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Right.

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Yeah, it's so true.

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That was more what it was about for me.

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Have you ever walked out mid-date?

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No, I actually haven't.

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Have you had a crazy bad first date that you wanted to walk out?

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I would say no, not crazy bad.

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I have had a couple of dates that I was a little uncomfortable, but I'm overly polite.

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So, like, even if you're making me slightly uncomfortable, as long as the conversation isn't terrible, I'll just sit through it until I find an excuse to leave.

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Yeah.

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So there was one date, and he took me to bikini barista coffee shop.

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And I did?

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Yeah.

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Is that kind of weird?

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They wear bikinis, right?

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Oh yeah, that's exactly what it was.

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Uh-huh.

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So it was weird.

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That was our first date.

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We were previously just texting for a few weeks, and I just went because I was like, you know, do it for the plot.

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And we get there, and he was obviously looking at the barisas and like checking them out.

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And I was just like, okay, that's kind of weird.

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That's just as bad as going to a store club here.

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Because I've gone to I've been to Bikini Beans many times.

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It's the one actually the one that I've been to is like it's a drive-thru situation.

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It's kind of like a Dutch Bros.

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Yeah.

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But it's so it's it's not conducive to sitting down at a table and having a nice, relaxing coffee, like if you go to like the Henry for coffee, or if you go somewhere that's or somewhere like Lux, where it's like it's a cafe where you can sit at a table and have a coffee and a nice cup.

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You know what I mean?

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It's like a drive-thru.

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I wonder if he was trying to be funny and wanted to see a reaction.

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Like, I don't think so.

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I think he like actually thought about this and chose this place for the first date.

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Unbelievable.

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Because he had a great time.

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At the end, at the end, he was like, Oh my gosh, I want you to come to this party to meet my friends that same day.

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And I was like, No, I'm super busy with family stuff.

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It gives like frat, bro.

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Yeah.

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It's kind of like, let's go to bikini bean coffee and then go to a party.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That party.

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Very young and immature.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So have you been cheated on?

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You said you had, right?

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Yes.

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How did you find out?

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So I found out because I waited to find out her phone code.

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So she would never give me her phone code.

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That's red flag right there.

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Yeah, another red flag.

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It's I was aware, I don't know why I ignored it, but she would never give me her phone code.

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And then one weekend right before her birthday, we're all really drunk, and my friend was trying to change some music on her phone, and she was like, Oh, I can't get in.

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What's your code?

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And she told her the code, and I overheard it, and I just kept that in my head.

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I was just gonna ask, like, how do you add do you guys at like do you ask?

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What's your phone code?

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Or ooh, because like I feel awkward.

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It is asking someone.

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Like, I feel like it's kind of personal.

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So, how do you ask someone you're dating?

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Like that, like, hey, I want to put some music on, what's your phone code?

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And if they get all weird about it and don't want to tell you, I feel like that's a red flag.

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Actually, yeah, that's a great idea.

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So, okay, so you put some, so you heard the code.

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So I heard the code, and then I waited until she went to sleep later.

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And I just grabbed her phone, which she always used to sleep with her phone under her pillow.

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Yeah, another red flag for sure.

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But I waited until she was like completely knocked out.

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I grab her phone, go to the other room, unlock it, and man, the text messages from so many different women.

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There was a reason she was hiding her phone under her pillow.

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Yeah, she was getting nudes and everything.

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She was sweet talking, these women.

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She is a charmer.

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Wow.

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Like that's another clash.

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How did you approach her about this?

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I actually didn't.

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I put her phone back under her pillow and I disappeared for two weeks.

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Not a healthy way to do it, but I didn't know how to address that because it was a lot.

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And it was even like people that she introduced me to.

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That's her friend.

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That's messed up.

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So yeah, I had to disappear.

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I was at my friends.

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I went back to my place and she was looking for me and messaging me on social media.

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I know that she's probably the type of person who would have then in turn got mad at you for invading her privacy and going through the phone.

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How dare you go through my phone?

00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:21.759
Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Gaslighter.

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Yes.

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So did you end it?

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Like, did you finally tell her what you saw?

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I did.

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So after the couple weeks, I responded to one of her messages and let her know what was going on and that we were over.

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And she did ask to see me a week later and explain everything, and I let her.

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We became friends for six months and then started dating again.

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Yeah.

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And how did it work out the second time?

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She didn't cheat as far as I knew, but very disrespectful.

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And then I caught her in a lot.

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Of really stupid lies, so I can never recover from like not trusting her.

00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:07.200
But did she give you her phone code the second time around?

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Yes, I'd access all of her phone.

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Of course.

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And I'm sure she cleaned it all up very nicely.

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Yes, exactly.

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And then even her work phone, she had an Android to where you would have to use a fingerprint.

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And she put my fingerprint as one of them.

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So I was able to access it whenever.

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So that was nice.

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But I also caught something in her work phone at some point.

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But not cheating.

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She was just talking to one of the girls.

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She cheated on me previously about being in the hospital.

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So I feel like sometimes when you catch a partner doing something and you confront them about it, work through it, and then give them another chance, it it just gives them ways to hide it better the next time.

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You know what I mean?

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Like if they haven't actually changed or if they haven't actually done better or doing better, I feel like it just gives them it just basically teaches them, it teaches them how to hide it better from you for the next time.

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Sometimes they think, oh, I did it once, I got away with it, she forgave me.

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So then they think they can do it again, especially if they're more sneaky about it.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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I don't know.

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And that's what was in the back of my mind the whole time.

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The rest of our relationship, I'm just like, she's highly intelligent.

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She was an engineer.

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So I'm like, she is definitely capable of realizing her mistakes and you know, hiding it better.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We were talking about that in another episode about dating women, women dating women, and how women tend to be a little bit more maybe like sneaky and manipulative.

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They're smarter when how they do things.

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Yeah, manipulative and they plot probably.

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Like, don't they say women cheat more than men, but they're just smarter about it, so they don't get caught as much.

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I've heard that.

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Yeah, and I know that is for sure, though.

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Oh my god.

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I'm ready for it.

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00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:09.519
So we have a question today.

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Okay.

00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:18.400
Um, so this one says my partner's mom still books all of his doctor's appointments.

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I feel like this is a deal breaker.

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He says it's just being efficient.

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Wait, his mom still books his appointment?

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His mom books his doctor's appointment, but she doesn't say how old they are.

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I think that's a red flag.

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But I think it doesn't matter how old you are.

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If you're an adult and you can't book your own doctor's appointments, what else can't you do?

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She's still doing his laundry.

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It makes you question, right?

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Yeah.

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She's still cooking him meals and like prepping them for him and you know probably.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that would be a not necessarily a deal breaker for me, but it would be a conversation that would need to be had.

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Like, I think it's time to take your health care into your own hands.

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I mean, if it's an assistant, you know, at work or something, or my secretary, but my mom, I don't know.

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Yeah.

00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:05.759
Yeah.

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It would make me question a lot of things.

00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:08.720
It would.

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It's a little too sounds a little too codependent.

00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:12.559
Yeah, exactly.

00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:17.039
And like they might put their mom over you, and then also they might need you to mother them.

00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:17.759
Oh gosh.

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Hell nice.

00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:20.720
Good point.

00:23:21.279 --> 00:23:23.279
So now we're gonna talk about the new dating trend.

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Have you heard of this?

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I know you have.

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It's based on the Dom Sub Fetish.

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It's a pay pig, aka a financial sub or fin sub, and a finum, a financial Dom.

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Have you heard of this?

00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:35.599
I have, yes.

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So a pay pig or fin sub is a person who gets sexual or psychological gratification from giving money and gifts to another person known as a findum, financial dominatrix.

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This arrangement is a form of financial domination, a fetist-based relationship that typically occurs online.

00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:55.039
So key characteristics it's a dom-sub dynamic.

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The relationship follows a dom sub power structure where the pay pig is a submissive one who serves the dominant partner financially.

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So you don't you know someone that does this or has done it?

00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:06.480
No.

00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:06.960
No?

00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:07.440
Uh-uh.

00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:12.000
So motivation, the pay pig finds satisfaction in being financially exploited.

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The thrill often comes from being controlled and verbally degraded by the dominant partner rather than from a traditional quid pro quo exchange.

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Like I've seen TikToks where they address their PayPig and they're like, you owe me this and you owe me that, and here are the receipts.

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Pay up, you loser, pay up, you scumbag, pay me at this link, and then that's what I've seen TikToks too.

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You're like, you know what it is.

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Don't you have a friend that like, no, I've seen TikTok video of Cindy.

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She's like, you're one friend.

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No.

00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:41.759
So it's not online.

00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:45.599
It's a digital environment, so they don't even meet in person.

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So it's like, what a good situation for the one who's receiving the money and gets to spend and abuse his account.

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Like these submissives want you to just abuse their bank account and spend the money and like throw it in their face.

00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:03.039
What a great situation to be in.

00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:03.839
I know.

00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:05.759
Like, how where do I sign up?

00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:07.039
Literally.

00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:08.240
What can I apply?

00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:12.240
The first time I ever heard of that, I was like, I would be great at that.

00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:12.480
Yeah.

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Like they don't even have to have sex, they don't even have to meet the person.

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Yeah.

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Do they have to see them?

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Like, does the does the sub have to be attracted to the person?00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:26.079


Because it's all via video, yeah.00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:26.720


Okay.00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:28.079


So level of control.00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:29.599


The level of control can vary.00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:35.440


Some pay pigs send small regular payments, while others grant the dominant figure complete control over their finances.00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:41.680


The dynamic can be a simple form of financial gifting or a complex arrangement that funds the dominant's entire lifestyle.00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:43.119


It's crazy.00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:52.160


Some people in the findem scene describe a feeling of sexual compulsivity akin to gambling, where the thrill of giving money provides a dopamine rush.00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:54.960


I think if okay.00:25:55.279 --> 00:26:08.480


If I met someone and they told me that that's what they were into, I don't think I could date someone that was into that kind of that had that fetish.00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:09.039


Yeah.00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:09.359


Yeah.00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:11.039


Like they're giving their money away.00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:12.960


So financially irresponsible.00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:16.160


What a waste of money.00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:17.920


Literally for no reason.00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:20.480


They're not getting anything back except for being degraded.00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:21.680


That's what I'm saying.00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:22.880


There's no reason.00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:26.160


Like you're literally just throwing your money to this person.00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:27.039


Yeah.00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:28.640


It seems so irresponsible.00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:29.680


So irresponsible.00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:33.759


I mean, unless you're like a multi-billionaire like Elon Musk, who's gonna be the first trillionaire.00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:34.000


Yeah.00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:35.759


He has probably so much money he can do that.00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:37.519


But other than that, like, what a waste of money.00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:38.559


Yeah, very true.00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:40.640


And it's like, why isn't it going towards me?00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:43.359


Like, why would I date you if you're not throwing your money towards me?00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:44.640


It's some stranger on the internet.00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:45.119


I know.00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:50.079


And I know everybody has their hobbies and their things that they spend money on.00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:50.319


Yeah.00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:54.640


But typically it's in ex like you said, it's in exchange for something else, right?00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:58.559


So it's like on clothes or even on sex.00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:00.319


Like at least, you know, getting off.00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:01.200


Yeah.00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:05.759


Even gambling, you're gambling, but you there's a chance you could win a bunch back.00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:08.240


So I can see that, you know, the appeal to that.00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:11.039


But really, what are you getting back from from this?00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:13.359


Just someone yelling at you and literally.00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:14.960


But they get aroused, I guess.00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:16.000


They get themselves on.00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:17.440


Different horses, different feelings.00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:20.799


I feel like there's a lot, there's like cheaper ways to masturbate.00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:21.200


Obviously.00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:22.160


It definitely is.00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:24.240


And I mean, they can be degraded for free.00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:26.160


Just irritate a woman out in the bar.00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:26.480


Really?00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:32.880


Walk up somebody, walk up to some woman pumping her gas and ask her about her day.00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:35.279


Like she will be irritated with you.00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:36.480


It could be so simple.00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:40.799


Where is your favorite place to go on a first date?00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:43.599


So I wouldn't say I have a favorite place.00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:46.480


I actually like to do activities on the first date.00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:52.880


Um, that would include maybe a good hike or going to an event.00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:56.720


So I yeah, I can't even have an answer for you.00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:56.960


Yeah.00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:59.200


And I typically don't plan the first date.00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:00.640


I let the other person plan it.00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:02.640


Do you like to be the sub in the relationship?00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:07.839


Do you like your partner to take control to plan things to be take control in the bedroom?00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:09.680


Yes and no.00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:11.759


I like to call myself a switch.00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:15.519


So I can do whatever the other partner doesn't feel like doing.00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:19.359


So if they feel like not being as dominant, I can be dominant.00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:28.799


But 70, 60 to 70% of the time, I do prefer for them to plan more things and take more control if they're comfortable with it.00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.440


Now it's time for the celebrity cut where we marinate in the juices of the celebrities.00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:35.279


Did you guys see that Kathy Griffin?00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:36.559


You know Kathy Griffin, right?00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:38.240


She is on four dating apps.00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:41.759


She's on like all the dating apps and is like having a hard time finding someone.00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:43.200


She's having a hard time.00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:43.599


Yeah.00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:50.079


So she was married, and I guess they got divorced because she was saying how he completely changed.00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:59.279


When she met him, he was outgoing and social and fun and vivacious, and he just turned into this homebody that kind of never wanted to leave the house and turned very antisocial.00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:00.559


And she's like, that's not me.00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.759


So now she got divorced and now she's out trying to find love again.00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:05.359


And I guess she's on four dating up.00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:08.079


But can you imagine you're scrolling and you see how intimidating?00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:10.559


Well, you would think it was a fake account.00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:11.039


You would.00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:14.240


Like you wouldn't, you'd have to.00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:21.039


What would you say or ask to get it to be like, prove to me that you're the real Kathy Griffin?00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.319


Take a picture holding a banana with like a finger on me.00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:27.200


And then post on your story that you didn't, so pretty sure.00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:30.960


It is true, because I bet there aren't so many fake accounts, you know?00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:37.200


Unless do do I'm sure Raya does, but do some dating apps have like the verified sign?00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:37.920


They do.00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:39.440


I know Bumble has it.00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:39.839


Okay.00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:41.440


I think Hinge has it as well.00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:46.559


But I've seen, so in that are we dating the same guy group?00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:51.039


They've posted, I've seen a couple posts there where it's scammers.00:29:51.599 --> 00:30:01.119


Um so basically what they do is they set up their dating profile and they take a picture of themselves to get verified.00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:06.799


And then they delete the picture of themselves and put on pictures of someone else to catfish.00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:08.079


I don't know, you can do that.00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:08.640


Yeah.00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:17.920


But the thing is, is so the reason why a couple guys have been posted in this group is because they forgot to delete the actual photo of themselves.00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:20.319


Dumb on the idiot.00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:21.680


Yes, yeah.00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:28.400


So they'll have like three or four photos of the person that they're catfishing, like the person that they're using.00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:35.359


And then it's like this random selfie from like the bottom up of a completely different person.00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:36.799


Like completely different person.00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:37.599


Oh, I love that.00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:39.759


So they so much.00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:45.519


So even though it's verified, there's still ways to tell me you're a catfish about telling me you're a catfish.00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:48.000


Like, did they even really try?00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:49.440


There's right, exactly.00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:52.480


But there's ways to get around the verified thing.00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:56.160


So you could totally be catfishing as a celebrity if you want to.00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:58.880


Honestly, I just I forgot that people catfish.00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.119


No, I've been called a catfish before.00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:13.599


Like they thought I was a catfish, like over text, and they said it's because I used to put like my Instagram photos on there, and they're like more professional looking.00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:15.759


I guess you're not supposed to do that.00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:16.400


I don't know.00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:17.920


You are very beautiful though.00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.759


Like I can see how people would think you are a catfish because you're so naturally stunning.00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:22.960


Thank you.00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:28.319


So now it's time to get to know you with Zoyo, sponsored by Zoya, your neighborhood yogurt.00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:29.680


Rapid fire questions.00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:29.920


Okay.00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:32.640


Best or worst pickup line you've heard or you've used?00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.880


Worst pickup line is oh, you're too hot to be gay.00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:37.680


Really?00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:38.319


Yeah.00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:38.799


Wow.00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:40.000


I'm like, that's okay.00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:42.559


Anything else?00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:45.200


You could have stopped at you're too hot.00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:45.680


That's it.00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:46.000


Yeah.00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:46.720


Ugh.00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:48.799


Favorite body part on a partner.00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:50.240


Hands.00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:50.880


Hands.00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:52.400


What gives you the ick?00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:54.240


See uh oh.00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:55.920


Unnecessary insecurities.00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:58.240


Is watching porn considered cheating?00:31:58.640 --> 00:31:58.880


No.00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:03.759


Before you're intimate, is it appropriate to ask your date how many people they've been with?00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:04.799


Yes.00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:07.279


Is it acceptable to have sex on a first date?00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:08.079


Yes.00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.440


Should you disclose mental health issues early on in a relationship?00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:12.640


Please, yes.00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:16.799


And do you have a crazy talent or unique fact about yourself that not many people know?00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:21.119


I don't know if this is a unique fact, but I used to dance for Alice Cooper.00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:22.720


You do! Oh that's right!00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:25.279


So how on tour with him?00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:30.079


Like in No, so I would dance with um what was it?00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:31.920


The the Rock Company.00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:33.519


So he has this place out here.00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:34.400


The school of rock.00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:35.519


Yeah, the school of rock.00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:45.599


And then if you dance there for a while and he feels that you would be great at any of his performances like Christmas Pudding, you can join his what do you call it?00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:46.400


Dance company?00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:47.119


There you go.00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:51.839


You can join his dance company and you can perform at like different business events.00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.640


I performed at Christmas Pudding three years in a row.00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:55.039


What?00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:57.119


That's this close to Johnny Depp.00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:58.799


What this close?00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:00.400


I can only look at him from a distance.00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:01.359


I'm jealous.00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:02.240


I love Johnny Depp.00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:04.960


Did a lot of fun things really fact.00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:08.720


And last but not least, what is your favorite sexual position and why?00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:10.559


I don't know what it's called.00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:12.160


So I'll just try to describe it.00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:21.359


So when they're at the edge of the bed, and then sorry, Mike, and then I sit on them and I'm like bouncing and my feet are towards the edge.00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:22.160


Does that make sense?00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:23.119


Towards them.00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:23.839


Yeah.00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:26.000


Sitting.00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:26.480


Okay.00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:28.000


So you're facing each other.00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:29.200


Yeah on the edge of the bed.00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:30.400


But they're on the edge of the bed.00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:31.519


So I'm on top of them.00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:32.079


Okay.00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:35.440


Okay, so it's like couch cowgirl, except on the bed.00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:36.000


Exactly.00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:36.480


Okay.00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:36.720


Yeah.00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:37.119


Okay.00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:37.839


That makes sense.00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:38.240


All right.00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:39.039


That makes sense.00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:41.039


Speaking of sexual positions.00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:41.680


Oh, yes.00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:43.359


You've got some fun goodies.00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:44.000


Oh, yes.00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:44.799


I want to see.00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:48.880


Okay.00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:53.920


You never know what you're going to get with Castle.00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:56.559


What they sent you and what you thought about it.00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:57.200


Okay.00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:05.759


So we'll start with this Divine Nectar's Kissable Passion Gel.00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:10.719


So I first started by smelling it and it smells so good.00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:11.840


It's so fruity.00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:14.880


And I took a little taste of it just to see.00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:20.320


It's really like the it sounds crazy, but it's the best thing I've ever tasted when it comes to Louvre.00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:20.800


Really?00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:21.199


Yeah.00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:21.920


Oh wow.00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:25.519


It doesn't taste like really artificial at all, if that makes sense.00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:28.320


Like it tastes like an actual candy.00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:29.280


Oh yeah.00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:35.599


And that sucks if you don't have a partner that you're you're like, oh man, I wish I could use this to do that.00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:41.599


So I not that we asked, but I do have someone I could try it with by just having it.00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:44.639


And then the next one, the oil of love.00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:47.119


I didn't try it, but it does smell really good.00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:48.000


It's very tropical.00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:48.480


What is it?00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:50.320


What is that for to be used for?00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.039


So it's for massages and body oil.00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:58.559


Says you can use it to like put it on someone, kiss it, lick it, things like that.00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:06.159


And then we have oh, the easy cuffs.00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:08.880


I try these on myself.00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.639


I did a little pull and I absolutely love it.00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:13.920


It doesn't hurt at all.00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:19.360


And it's like made out of silicone, and you don't have to clip it, you just slide it on.00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:20.239


Nice.00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.440


So do you want me to take it out and show it a little more?00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:24.159


Yeah.00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:32.320


If you were using them with a partner, would you prefer to be the one getting cuffed, or would you want to cuff your partner?00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:37.599


So I recently realized that maybe I am a little more submissive than I expect.00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:39.039


I would want to be cuffed.00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:39.360


Okay.00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:42.320


Especially with these, because honestly, you just slide them on.00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:43.679


Oh wow, they go on easily.00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:44.320


Yeah.00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:46.559


And they don't come off easily.00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:49.920


So you have to like actually make an effort, but it doesn't hurt.00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:51.360


It's very how cool.00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:52.079


What a cool concept.00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:53.360


I've never seen those before.00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:53.840


Yeah.00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:57.599


And they're and they're small, they won't go off in the metal detector.00:35:57.760 --> 00:35:59.840


You could travel with it.00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.639


They don't make that noise from the thing, like the jangling noise.00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:03.119


Yeah.00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:05.360


If I had someone in Chicago, I would take it with me.00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:05.920


Uh-huh.00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:06.800


There you go.00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:13.679


And then last was the Lay Tongue Collection, powerful vibrating, licking tongues.00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:14.320


Whoa.00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:16.239


How is that?00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:19.760


When I got this, I was like, oh, is it because I like women?00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:23.760


I mean, I know we all like it, but I loved it.00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:37.119


I didn't actually try it, but I did feel the vibrations, and it's just powerful enough to get you there, but not too harsh, which I feel I've had a lot of problems with toys being too much in the past.00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:38.800


But yeah, I love it.00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:41.199


It looks, it looks kind of like the rose, Lynn.00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:42.239


I think it does.00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:45.599


I was like, is that the rose, the famous rose that everyone speaks about?00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:53.039


Yeah, I've never tried the rose, but I feel like this is probably better because I've heard the rose is overly intense.00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:55.920


And I'm just like, I heard it can like blow you across the rose.00:36:56.239 --> 00:36:56.880


Exactly.00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:58.639


In like five seconds.00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.159


Made you think you need to try it, right?00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:03.840


It's like what?00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:05.119


A different dimension.00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:06.639


Like, let's do it.00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.400


But yeah, I love all of these.00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:11.760


So thank you, the castle.00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:12.639


So amazing.00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:13.840


Thank you guys.00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:16.239


Thank you so much for joining us this week at the meat market.00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:17.440


And thank you so much.00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:23.280


If you want to go on a date with Valerie, send us a DM to any of our social media platforms at Meat Market Podcast.00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:25.519


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Oh my god, I just totally got catfished.00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:37.519


He looks absolutely nothing like his picture.00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:42.480


So I found out the guy that I've been dating is married with kids.00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.119


His wife just reached out to me.