DOES YOUR BODY COUNT MATTER? LET THE CHAOS BEGIN

Catfish Cold Open

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Oh my god, I just totally got catfished. He looks absolutely nothing like his picture. So I found out the guy that I've been dating is married with kids. His wife just reached out to me.

SPEAKER_02 0:15

Welcome to the meat market. The single scene is the slaughterhouse, and we are here to devour it. We are your hosts. I'm Lindsay. I'm Jess. And today's sizzling single is John. Welcome.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_02 0:24

So you have an interesting TikTok channel. You have some controversial videos. One being you think of if a woman has slept with more than five blokes, she is not marriage material. But you're in your 30s. Are you telling me you've slept with less than five women?

SPEAKER_00 0:41

You know, that's a that's a great question. Um I believe it's a little different for men.

SPEAKER_02 0:47

What? Men can sleep with however many, but women.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Well, you've it sounds kind of cliche and corny, but you know, you've heard the master key, master lock, correct? I mean, you know, if a key can open any lock, is that not a good key? But if a lock can be opened by many keys, it's probably not a good lock, right?

unknown 1:09

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

So you were telling me if you want on a date with so do you ask women when you're on a first date with them how many people they've been with?

SPEAKER_00 1:18

No, I don't actually. No. I have my concrete core beliefs for as far as you know, someone that I would ask to be my wife that I could see having a long-term, you know, relationship with that would lead to marriage. But I don't ask that. I just get to know them. I obviously, you know, in the back of my mind, I have certain things that, you know, certain parameters I would like my ideal woman to fall into, but I just have fun. I get to know her, you know, if it's six, if it's six, it's like, oh, well, no, sorry. Like, that's not true, but that would be my ideal choice for myself.

SPEAKER_03 1:52

You know, I was just gonna ask that. Is it a deal breaker? So if you're dating a woman and it's going really well and you've been dating for like a couple of months and you really, really like her, and then all of a sudden you have the conversation, you find out that she's been with like 20 guys, would you end the relationship or would you could you look past it?

SPEAKER_00 2:11

That's that's a really great question. And I've kind of thought about that scenario myself. Um if I do find a woman and we've been talking, she has a great personality, I really like her, and I start to see myself potentially being with her long term, I'll try to get it out of the way a little sooner than later before I have a heart in there somewhere. Like, you know, I do try to uh lead myself less emotionally, but I um I don't think I could do that long term.

SPEAKER_02 2:41

Really? Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 2:43

Yeah, and usually though, I can tell. I've been around the block. I'll be 32 years old in a couple months. I can usually tell pretty quickly the women that have been with a lot of men versus the ones that haven't.

Younger Dating And New Car Logic

SPEAKER_02 2:55

But don't you think that's unrealistic for a woman in her 30s to have been with less than five guys? Because I mean, surely they've had more than five boyfriends, and even maybe he doesn't date women in their 30s.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

I was just about to say I was just about to say that this age I can go up or down. And actually, I spent a lot of my from I mean, when I was 19 years old, I went on a date with someone who was 37. I thought it was the coolest thing ever. I told all my friends. Um, but no, I don't think it's unrealistic if you pick someone who's a little bit younger. Um, and actually, it might not come to a surprise, but women that are not from America usually I've had a lot more luck with them. Um, women from, you know, uh that are Latinas. I I love they have a special place in my heart. I love Latina women. They and they love me. I think they just like white guys. There's always that, you know, that pair that you always see um where it's kind of a synergistic relationship. Um but Middle Eastern women, they're another great choice. I actually just went on a date with one who's 23. She grew up in the war, so she's seen the worst side of life. And now over here, like trying to impress her does not take much. What really impresses her actually is just being a good person. So, you know, you don't have to spoil her too much. She was a cheap date. We actually went and had drinks last weekend. It was our first date. Um, she was just telling me how she works two full-time jobs and takes care of uh paying the mortgage for her family. She's 23 years old. I mean, that's someone that I could really build a life with. And she's I don't know how many people she's been with, but I would say it's probably less than five.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

I mean, but what if it wasn't? You would couldn't do long term.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Well, at 23 years old, too, I think that's kind of telling of someone as well. So there's a couple reasons why I like someone who's a little bit younger.

SPEAKER_02 4:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

Um, I always say, I hate to, you know, compare women to to cars, but I think it's a good analogy. If you're in a position to buy a brand new car with a warranty that no one else has driven and abused, why would you pick? I mean, you know, it sounds it sounds kind of harsh, but I mean, if you're in that position, why wouldn't you go buy a brand new car? Uh give me a one good reason why you wouldn't buy the brand new vehicle that you know was gonna last.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

Because they don't make them nowadays like they did back then. Better quality, they made them better quality back then.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

Oh, that's a good thing. They're a little more cheaply made nowadays.

SPEAKER_03 5:21

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

They're cheaply made nowadays, don't last as long. Crap out on your time. Not as reliable.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

That's funny.

Sugar Mamas And Traditional Masculinity

SPEAKER_02 5:29

That's funny. So I saw TikTok that where you were talking about there are so many cougars, rich women. Would would you be interested in dating a sugar mama?

SPEAKER_00 5:37

I would never do that. No, no. I have, when I was younger, when I was in my you know, late teens, early 20s, I went on several multiple dates, you know, with the same woman. We weren't together like that. And I never ever once would let them sugar me, ever.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

Really?

SPEAKER_00 5:53

I would, I would, it was so easy to impress a woman with money because you just if you pay for a$50 or$100 dinner, she's like, oh wow, like this guy actually just enjoys being around me for me. He's not here for money or what I can do. And the only problem with that though is like I wouldn't want to be with them long term. And then they get they get really addicted really fast because I'm not somebody who like I'm not gonna be intimidated because a woman is beautiful or has money or status.

SPEAKER_03 6:22

You also so I have a couple of girlfriends who are cougars and you have the look that they love, like just like the wholesome sort of like boy next door, like very sweet-natured look. Like, I can see where you would get that type of attention your way.

SPEAKER_00 6:41

Yeah, you know, um, until just recently, actually, that's kind of the women that I would go for because there was, you know, mutual interest. But I it wasn't about the money or anything like that. I never wanted to be sugared ever. I'm I come from a uh traditional household, and that's how I grew up. And I've seen it work, my parents are still together, they've been through, you know, thick and thin. So I'm geared like that. And even if someone did out-earn me, I would never ever want to let you pay the bills or sugar me in any way at all. To me, that just makes me feel emasculated.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

Yeah. So you're traditional at heart?

SPEAKER_00 7:18

Yeah, very much so. Yeah. Now I believe that the way that the world has changed, that obviously in today's society is gonna look a little different. I believe in equal contribution in a relationship. I don't believe that, you know, I should just buy you a G-Wagon and fill it full of roses and you post on your TikTok or Instagram and go do your, go get your matcha and do hot yoga. Like, you know what I mean? Like back in the day, women, they, their job, they still had to contribute. They took care of, you know, the kids, the house, the meals, laundry, and all that stuff. The man went out and worked. She's still contributing, but in a different kind of a way. Now I believe, you know, there's nothing wrong with if you're, let's say you're dating a nurse and she's working or married to a nurse, whatever, she's working long hours. Hey, hon, I know you're busy. I'm gonna get dinner. I got off early, I'll take care of it, I'll do some laundry. I just believe in, you know, 50-50 in the sense that you're as equally in invested that I am. It's a team. Exactly. Teamwork. Teamwork makes the dream work. And, you know, I want someone who I know is gonna be down for me whether I have money or not. I'm doing decently well for myself now, but I want someone who I know if I lost everything that you're gonna help me rebuild from nothing.

SPEAKER_02 8:33

So you couldn't date a cougar long term, you couldn't date someone older in a serious relationship?

SPEAKER_00 8:38

No, so I've actually I said earlier, I'm you know, gonna be 32 and I've recently uh if someone is over like 35, it's just it's really hard to see them as a long-term partner. Um, you know, I want to build with somebody and have a life and love them for as long as possible because that's my person. So I want you know as much time as possible, and I'm I'm gonna get that with somebody a little bit younger, I feel.

SPEAKER_03 9:04

So would you have kids?

SPEAKER_00 9:06

Eventually, yeah. So I don't, I wouldn't say that kids is are there, I don't want them like, you know, have to have them, you know, in a year or two. I've not put a timeline on it. I think I haven't met her yet. And people always say, oh, you know, you meet the right person, you'll change your mind. And I do believe that. I try to be a little open-minded about certain things. I believe that when I do meet the right person, I will want kids. I just haven't met them yet. But I'm open to that. I just feel like it's you know, I've I've talked to women before that, you know, they're getting up there in their 30s and they're like, oh, well, I need to have kids in a year or two. I'm not gonna live my life bound by your timeline. You know, if that is something that you want, then great. I hope you meet somebody that feels the same way. But, you know, I can be 40 and I can have kids with someone who's 30. So that's the way I look at it.

SPEAKER_03 9:56

You don't want to waste someone's time. Exactly because if she's on a timeline, exactly then you waste six months of her year, you know, just messing around. It's like you're not doing her any favors either.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

Right. No, I don't want to, I want to be, you know, respectful of where you're at in life, and that's where, you know, I want to be honest with somebody and say, hey, you know, this isn't gonna work out. Think you're a lovely person, I think you're a catch. It's I'm not the one that's gonna catch you, but somebody will, you know.

SPEAKER_02 10:22

So you had done a video where you compare women who date just for money, it's just the same as men who pump and dump women. So you don't like women who date for money. So how how do you like dating in Scottsdale? That must be miserable for you, right? Because a lot of women date for money there.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

That's a great question. Um, so to be honest, so I'm from North Carolina originally. I moved out to this area about four months ago. But uh, I work in sales. This was one of my territories at another company. That's how I came out here and just fell in love with it. And one of the reasons was because of the dating. I don't have that experience. Going back to what we were talking about earlier, you know, about I don't want to be sugared. And obviously, you know, I'm not gonna go for someone who wants to be sugared either, but I found it to be a great experience. Really?

SPEAKER_02 11:09

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

There's women, she might see this because she pops up on my TikTok. I have the setting where you can see who who visits your profile. She's got several thousand followers, and she posts videos of different little snipshots of men sending her money and whatever. After I had my surgery, this was the first time we ever met, she drove 40 minutes to my house. I didn't spend any money, and we literally just sat there on the couch and talked. And after that, she was texting me more and more interested. She's like, Oh, I I like you and your busted up arm and think you're cute and this and that. So um, no, I don't, I think Scottsdale's great. It's I've never had a better dating experience anywhere else. And I travel a lot for work, all over the United States at least.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

Is that the date that you posted about where you said the best date I've ever had, I spent zero dollars. It was great. Was that the date?

SPEAKER_00 12:01

No, so that was a different one. Okay. So I do I go on, see, I go on a lot of dates. Um, and you know, I'm not gonna spend hundreds of dollars on dinner every, you know, three nights, four nights a week. That's that gets expensive. But no, so that was one um we matched on Hinge. We went and did stargazing uh up in Sedona.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

So we drove up there at like nine o'clock, we got there. It was obviously you know super dark outside, and it was great. We just have a Cadillac and the seats go like all the way down. Opened up the sunroof, and we just stared up at the sky. We talked, we stopped and got some snacks. So I guess I spent$10, but I would have got snacks for myself, anyways. So uh no, it was great. I feel like that type of date gives you the chance to really get to know somebody for who they are and on a deeper level. Um, you know, the only problem is if you if you do that and it's not like the traditional dinner date, and they actually see that you're a cool, normal person, I usually can connect with people really easily that way. And if you don't like them, like good luck getting rid of them. Because they I had to tell her actually that I was like getting rid of them. That's a kind of that's a pretty, you know, brash way to say it, but you can't just tell somebody like, hey, I'm not in well, you can, but I've never ever told a woman that I wasn't interested in her not chasing me.

SPEAKER_02 13:24

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

Which is I can't, I kind of think that's why people ghost people these days.

SPEAKER_02 13:28

So what do you tell her? What are you honest?

SPEAKER_00 13:30

Yeah, I mean, so I I don't if it's something like physical, which it's usually not, because in my mind, like if you're attractive enough, then obviously you could be a 10, and that's gonna fade in a couple months, anyways, you know. But um, no, I just I try to be honest about like, hey, you know, you're really fun. I just think that, you know, we kind of want different things or we're at different places in life. You're, you know, again, you're a great person, you're very attractive, and I enjoy being with you, but I just think long term it's better if we, you know, we can be friends. I try to let them down easy. Then they take that, and that always, I mean, nine out of ten times, that's gonna turn into them wanting friends with benefits with you. I prom I promise you. I promise.

SPEAKER_03 14:12

Interesting. Have you ever had it go the other way where the girl like like loses her shit or kind of goes crazy or is very upset?

SPEAKER_00 14:19

Oh, that's a good question. Um if you take them up on the friends with benefits offer a hundred percent. I've I've uh there was this is back when I lived in North Carolina, there's this one girl that we started, you know, hanging out. I was like, no, I don't want to be with this person. So she still, of course, wanted to hang out. And I was a little younger and not as wise as I would say I am now. So I was like, you know, all right, fine, we could be friends with benefits, whatever. And then, you know, after a little bit, she starts to get crazy if you're going on dates with other girls. She tried to use different guys she told me about that approached her at the gym. She's like, Oh, if you don't hang out with me, I'm gonna go screw. What's his name? I'm like, okay. And that makes them even crazier. If you just are unbothered by it, they go ballistic, they just can't handle a man just being honest. That's why we lie. That's why men lie because women can't handle the truth. That is that is why we lie.

Ghosting And Rejecting With Honesty

SPEAKER_02 15:16

Oh my god, that's funny. Oh, that's so funny. So you said the fastest way to lose a woman is to give her everything she wants. Explain.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

Yes. So I believe that if you if a woman wants something and you're like, oh yeah, let me get you that, and and she wants something else, and it might not be something materialistic, it might be something that she wants you to do. Like I was talking to a girl, she was interested, she didn't like the way that I text. And as soon as I saw that she was texting a lot, you know, paragraph, telling me about her day, I'm like, I'm not gonna just that's gonna, things are gonna go way too fast if I start texting back and putting in as much effort that she is. So, in order to keep her interested, I purposely did that, by the way. If I was to give her what she wanted, because it was making her interest. She's like, all these other guys would be blowing me up, they would be texting me back and trying to call and schedule dates, and I just retracted my interest. That's a bad games. I'm gonna you have to play the games, though. There's there's two, it's a worldwide dating scene because of Instagram and social media. So nowadays you have to, once I know they're interested, I retract my interest, and that has worked for me 10 out of 10 times.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

Don't hate the player, hate the game. That's true.

SPEAKER_00 16:33

You have to learn, you you have to learn the game in order to find a good woman, I feel. And then she was mad, like, oh, well, I mean, I'm more traditional too, and I just don't understand these games. I feel like you shouldn't have to play the games. The games worked better on her than anybody else I've ever used them on. So I didn't tell her that, but I was just like, no, you know, this is just me. You know, I get busy at work, I use my phone for work. Like, you know, I didn't, I wasn't super honest. But again, you can't be super honest either. Like, this is I have you exactly where I want you. And she's thinking about me all day long. Like, I don't the work's done.

SPEAKER_03 17:10

Oh my god, the work's done.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

Proof is in the pudding. I mean, I guess dating now is savage and it's so tough.

SPEAKER_03 17:15

So I guess you gotta do what you gotta do. Yeah. And everybody plays, I mean, the women play games too. So I guess every everybody's just playing.

SPEAKER_02 17:23

So, would it be a deal breaker too if a woman says, You're about to go on a first date with her and she's like, I want you to take me to the global ambassador, would that be a deal breaker for you?

SPEAKER_00 17:32

That's a good question because we might see somebody that I went on a date with that works there. Um, no, I would I wouldn't have a problem with that. I think it's more the fact that she's telling me where she wants me to take her. Um, I'm a I'm a date planner. And although, you know, you probably saw a couple of my videos talking about, you know, not bare minimum dates, but just smaller, simple things that don't cost a lot of money. I would want someone who wants to leave it up to me.

SPEAKER_03 18:02

Like, you know, hey, I do I actually agree with you on this. I d I like the man to plan the date. I don't want to have to plan the date. Agreed.

SPEAKER_00 18:09

You just show up looking pretty, yeah, ready to have a good time. You trusted me enough to, you know, go out and take care of you wherever we go. And you shouldn't have to worry about anything else. That's the traditional side coming out in me. I feel like, hey, just get yourself ready and I got us for the rest of the night.

SPEAKER_02 18:26

So you did it had posted a video that said the worst women are the ones who require a real first date. So what's a real first date? Like dinner?

SPEAKER_00 18:35

Yeah, if they if they aren't willing to go get a coffee or go for a walk, which I love, I love that combo by the way. I feel like it's just so simple, you get to know the real somebody. I feel like a super expensive$500 dinner dinner, that's a screen little snipshot of what life would actually be if you were together. You can't go do that every night unless you're a millionaire. It's not realistic. So when they have these standards, that came from them probably getting hurt before from a bare minimum guy who they probably did like and he ended up cheating or screwing them over, so now they're jaded. And I just I feel like that's if they're requiring that, they're just not interested in you enough, probably. Because, you know, if I was let's whoever they're famous, if I was Sabrina Carpenter or whoever the hell they listen to, right? Someone that they really like, a celebrity, and a celebrity was like, hey, let's go for a walk. You're gonna go on that walk.

SPEAKER_02 19:29

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

So yeah, I think it just in my personal experience, everything on my TikTok, I'm not just making this stuff up. I might speak about it in a controversial way to just get some some attention, but it's all stuff that I've personally experienced. And I, you know, I've lived my whole 20s, half of it I was in a terrible relationship, by the way. So I learned a lot there. But, you know, after I was single and away from that, everything I'm talking about is just from personal experience.

SPEAKER_02 19:58

Do you prefer being in a relationship?

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Uh, I believe if with the right woman, yes. But that seems kind of unrealistic almost. I know there's some good ones out there, but I would prefer I believe that um what what is the saying? If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together. So I just haven't found somebody to go together with yet.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

What is your ideal type besides being a virgin? Describe your ideal woman.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

I didn't say virgin. I said under five.

SPEAKER_03 20:32

Same, same, same.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

Well, because then though, if they haven't, I've thought about real quick to before I answer your question, if they are a virgin, are they gonna get curious about what it would be like to be with someone else?

SPEAKER_02 20:44

That's true. Good point.

SPEAKER_00 20:45

Would they would they wonder, you know, would it would it backfire?

SPEAKER_02 20:48

Opening Pandora's box.

SPEAKER_00 20:52

Um, but no, so yeah, not a virgin. But um my deal woman, I mean, appearance-wise, I've I've got a type. I love, I always find myself uh dark black hair, the blacker the better, and light eyes. That is, and then you know, little meat on the bones, not like super thick, not a twig either. I don't I don't want a skinny girl, but you know, I'm kind of a big, strong guy, I can handle someone a little thicker. Um, but I've also learned that, you know, the older I've gotten, I don't have to uh try to find someone in that parameter. I'm a little more open-minded. You know, if I met someone that was, you know, a blonde with dark eyes, I'll take that as well. Because like I said, looks are gonna fade and you know, it's who that person is that is gonna make or break the relationship. Um aside from appearance though, somebody who isn't afraid to someone who makes their own money. Not uh I don't want a sugar mama, but someone who just, you know, is taking care of their self, their own bills, someone who's not being sugared or wants someone to just take care of themselves while they do nothing. You know, I don't that's not a team player in my opinion. Um what else? Uh family oriented, a good relationship with uh their father, especially and mother, too, just because I think seeing that dynamic over time is gonna kind of help them grow up in a healthy environment and it's gonna be that's gonna pair really well with my background and what I've seen and what I would like for my own future. That's not to say that people that didn't have that luxury are bad or not a good choice because you know, whatever happens to you, you choose how to respond. So if you grew up in maybe a dysfunctional household or whatever the case may be, you might have learned from that and you might have grew from it, and it might have made you into a fantastic person. So that's just my ideal want, but that that's not concrete. It doesn't have to be. I know, you know, I think I'm pretty fortunate to have grown up in the family household that I did. Um, but I'm open to a lot of different things. Like I said, I have my ideal parameter, and then if I happen to go outside that because there's an incredible woman in front of me, then that's fine too.

Ideal Partner And Relationship Scars

SPEAKER_02 22:58

Um what do you do for a living?

SPEAKER_00 22:59

I'm in sales actually. So I'm in luxury sales. I work on, I provide materials, custom materials for architects, designers, and custom home builders. So a lot of the you know, million uh five to you know, five and up million dollar homes, custom homes.

SPEAKER_02 23:16

And what is your longest relationship?

SPEAKER_00 23:18

Uh, four years.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

And why did that end?

SPEAKER_00 23:22

That's a good question. Um she was a good girl. She had a lot of hurt from her dad to the person that she was with for 10 years, and that uh just bled over into our relationship, and I got a lot of emotional trauma and hurt dumped onto me. Um was way too good to her for way too long. She's probably gonna see this.

SPEAKER_03 23:45

What would she say? What would she say about you?

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Uh that's a good question. She would probably say that I don't talk about my feelings enough that um I might have wasted her time. It was a long, it's a long story, but it was basically the scenario where um I was paying for the house and she didn't really make enough money. And I would have left a lot sooner, but I there was that part of me that did care, even though I knew it wasn't going anywhere. So I was like, well, damn, if I leave now and leave her paying for the house, like she's not gonna make it. So that was kind of like it's almost toxic in a way, even though it was from a good place that I wanted to be there to take care of her until she figured something out. But it just it got to the point where I caught her um at a local restaurant five minutes up the road with another man having dinner.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

Oh boy, yeah. So did you confront her about it? Maybe it was just a friend, a coworker.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

No, it wasn't so. Well, it's funny. So she had two kids, which I would never I would never do that again. Not because of the kids themselves, but just the dynamic, and it just there's something that you're always gonna be unequally invested in. You love those kids more than I ever could, even if I wanted to. They're not biologically mine, so that put a strain on things. But she was, and they were two little girls, by the way, which makes it worse because she's you know, those kids have known me for four years. We've lived together. One has even the youngest one called me dad a handful of times on accident, and she's there eating dinner with another man. And the kids are with her, and they're gonna leave that dinner and go back to my house or our house that I'm paying for.

SPEAKER_02 25:25

Oh, that's bad. That's that's terrible. That's terrible. What did she say when you confronted her?

SPEAKER_00 25:30

Nothing.

SPEAKER_02 25:30

Nothing?

SPEAKER_00 25:31

She just, I mean, it was it was like deer and headlights. Well, I can't tell you how, but I showed up to the restaurant and walked in and confronted both of them. And they were it was it was like deer and headlights.

SPEAKER_02 25:44

What did he say? Did he say that? Nothing. Nothing, nothing. He just looked at me.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

They just she was like, What are you doing here? She got mad, and one of the kids was embarrassed, and she told me to leave, and because the whole restaurant stopped. They thought, they thought I was gonna pull out a gun, which I wasn't. I wasn't gonna do anything crazy. I didn't go in there yelling and screaming. I was as calm as I could. I just showed up and was like, Oh, how's it going?

SPEAKER_02 26:07

So that was a so that she gave no explanation of who it was, or no, but um She didn't try to beg you back.

SPEAKER_00 26:13

No, I f well, she did tell me, she's like, Oh, I was gonna stop talking to him. And I was like, Oh, yeah, I bet. I I bet you were. I bet I bet you were just gonna have dinner. You were just hungry and wanted to go eat with another guy.

SPEAKER_02 26:25

With your kids, yeah, but you were planning on and that's kind of mean to bring the kids into it and force them to lie and hide things, and that's not good.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

Well, it says a lot about the kind of person she is, 100%. But it was a small, you know, North Carolina, small town. So it's I don't want to get into the story too much, but I know all the cops in the town. They go to my gym and they really filled me in because she called the cops. Someone at the restaurant was like, Oh, we might come back with the gun. So she calls them, and they come to the other, my brother's house. It was a big thing, but don't want to get into it. But um, yeah, that definitely had to end. Uh, it was super toxic. And, you know, they told me about you know what she had said, and she exaggerated and was spazzing out on the phone when she called the cops, and yeah, and I didn't deserve any of that. I mean, you know, when you leave a relationship and your family, they're all happy, your friends are all happy, then you hear just certain things after the fact, and you were you were really blinded by love.

SPEAKER_03 27:25

Yeah, I feel like that happens often. Yeah. I have another question about the sex thing going back. So past partners is an issue. Is it an issue for you if a woman sleeps with you too early on in her relationship with you?

SPEAKER_00 27:40

That's a really good question. The answer might be surprising, but it's it's not. I think that if they really like you, it's it's different. I don't I have never, and that sounds surprising probably, but I've never really viewed, I mean, it makes me second guess certain things, and ideally I would want the woman, even if she did really like me, to have enough control to say, no, you know, we're gonna wait. And then, you know, that would really make me take her serious, but I don't think so. I think if she really likes you, she sees something different, and you know, the way to get them to do that, by the way, is just completely act uninterested. Wow. They will they'll do a lot when you are not even, I don't even, you know, try to kiss them on the first date. I don't mention anything sexual. I might give a little light compliment to something, you know, oh, I like the way your hair looks really nice tonight. Nothing else. And just acting completely uninterested in anything else but getting to know them.

SPEAKER_02 28:39

Dang, you're the king of games.

SPEAKER_03 28:41

Are you ever you ever actually interested in getting to know them, or is it always just an act?

SPEAKER_00 28:50

No, uh, when I was younger, I was more so I knew how to kind of use the game in my favor if I wanted to, but that gets really old really fast. And, you know, I feel like it's really easy to just go and sleep with somebody. And I mean, at one point in time, I know this is recorded, but I'd literally I got tired of the amount of women that I had. And it just got it didn't make me happy, it didn't make me feel grounded as a person. Um it it didn't do anything good for me, honestly. So, you know, now though, uh you know, this age, I I know the game, I know that it works, but I'm actually doing it for the sole purpose of getting to know them. Um and then they try to, you know, throw themselves at me.

SPEAKER_03 29:36

So do you ask about body count before you sleep with a woman?

SPEAKER_00 29:39

I don't know. Um the only time I would is if we had a couple of dates and you know, she didn't throw herself at me, because then that's actually gonna make me curious. Like I know the game, and if I was to to do that and they still don't do anything, I'm gonna be a little more intrigued about her past. Like, so you know, how many, how many guys have you dated? And a good a good way to ask that is just how many boyfriends have you had? Another good way to ask that without directly asking, because people lie, like they might not be honest, you know. You ask them, um, you know, hey, how many, what body count would would be too much for a guy, like just you know, in your opinion, and see what they say. Let them tell you.

SPEAKER_03 30:20

Do you think that anybody ever really is honest when asked that question? That must be like the most lied answer to any question.

SPEAKER_02 30:29

Because if a woman has been with 110 guys, is she really gonna admit that? You know? No, she's not, right? So I I I can imagine a lot of people. Bonnie Blue would. That's true. Bonnie Blue Blue would be proud about that. That's a good point.

SPEAKER_03 30:43

There are women out there that would that would be honest about it, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

Like some of the porn stars that we've had on here, or you know, the fans models, I'm sure they'd be. Yeah. They scream at loud and proud. So, what is the craziest that you've ever been on? Do you have any disaster date stories?

Catfish Photos And Disaster Dates

SPEAKER_00 31:00

No, so my hardest, the hardest thing for me really is well, if we connect over social media, it goes back to, I think it was it was you saying, I just have that look. Um uh they I ever since I was like 15 years old, I was like, you know what, I I'm someone who I take pride and taking care of myself. I eat clean. I I go to the gym often. So I and I'm just friendly and charismatic and never met a stranger. And they think, oh, this guy has to be just being like this to try to sleep with me. And it's not. So I get labeled a player a lot, um, which you know makes it harder. But once I'm in person, though, it's they're like, oh, you're so much different than what I thought you were you were gonna be. Like you're very, you're sweet and kind and all these things. So in person, I've never really had a bad date. I've had a couple, I had one where we bashed, I was down at the beach, um, we matched on Bumble, and she was super attractive in her pictures. And when she when we met up, she got out of the car, she had no exaggeration, I mean, 40 pounds heavier than what her pictures were. And I was just like, oh God, like I wanted to just run away. But, you know, I didn't want to be a dick, so we still went to dinner, and it was actually hilarious because on the way there, I don't know, I was playing some song that she apparently really she starts trying to sing to me in the car, and I was just like, oh, this is about to be a long dinner. So we pull up to the restaurant, it was a steak and seafood place. She gets so excited, she's like, Oh my god, they have steak and seafood here. I'm like, Yeah, mm-hmm. So we go in, we have dinner. I'm still making conversation, and then I've never been on a date before, a first date, anyways, where after you eat, the waiter comes, Oh, would you like would you guys like to see a dessert menu? And she's like contemplating dessert. I'm like, honey, like, you don't need dessert. Like, no, I didn't say that. I wanted to, but I was just like, oh, like maybe we can get ice cream like later at the pier just around the corner. And then I actually was like, How am I gonna get out of this without hurting this poor girl's feelings? I wanted to be honest.

SPEAKER_02 33:05

That was nice of you, though, to offer to take it to the pier for ice cream.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

Well, that was just a way to buy some time. Like, I'm not gonna I don't want to be seen eating dessert with this with this chubby against my will. Like, I just if I could help it. Well, I you know, I really wanted to go to the pier and see what was what else was there and other women were there? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. I've done that before too. There's another time. Well, to finish the story, I ended up just pretending like something was my stomach was hurting and I had to take her back. She kind of she was like, you know, you can just be honest with me. It won't hurt my feelings. And she just got really like snooty, and I was like, oh no. I wanted to just agree, but again, I didn't want to I don't want to hurt her feelings. But I feel like that's her fault, though.

SPEAKER_03 33:49

Well, and it sounds like she's heard it before that you don't look like your pictures, you know. That's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

Why would you post pictures that don't represent who you actually are?

SPEAKER_03 33:57

You know, this happened I feel like this happens all the time.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

We go guess that's so they kind of only have themselves to blame, right? Be honest about that's a lie. You're posting pictures that don't false that's false advertising.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

They're actually showing you what you could have what you you could have. Like, hey, this is what I used to look like. If you marry me, I'll lose weight. Like, no, sorry.

Listener Question: Stay Or Break Up

SPEAKER_03 34:15

Ready for it? I'm ready for it. The keep more minute brought to you by Tactical Tax Strategies. They help you keep more in your wallet. We help you keep more in your relationship. So we have uh a listener question. We're saving this one. So it says this is a this is a question for the next time you have a male guest. Say you've been dating a woman for about a month. You enjoy her company, she's kind, and there's no drama, but you're not sure she's your person. You haven't had sex, but you can see she's clearly invested and starting to get attached. As a man, do you? So it's a multiple choice question. A keep dating her to see if feelings grow. B, pull back and risk losing something good. C have a direct conversation now, or D, end it even if nothing is wrong. Quote unquote wrong.

SPEAKER_02 35:03

I would do C, have a c conversation. Honesty is thy best policy. Talk about your feelings and hear maybe she's feeling the same way. Maybe it could grow if you work on it together. I just think communication is key. What do you think as a man?

SPEAKER_00 35:15

No, honesty is the best policy. I'm actually brutally honest about every single thing. Like women, it actually has made them like me more in the past by being brutally honest about things that you shouldn't have. Like, oh, hey, you know, what's your body count? And just boom. What's this? What's that? Boom, boom. Honest, honest. Um I would honestly break it off, though. If you're not sure that she's your person in the beginning, if you're having to even question that, especially early on when the lust and the infatuation is should be the highest, I would probably personally break it off if I wasn't sure.

SPEAKER_03 35:52

I was gonna say, don't they say men know within like the first 10 minutes? 10 minutes. I think they do, yeah. Or two hours or something like that, like whether a person is like gonna be their personality.

SPEAKER_02 36:02

Can't it grow though if you get to know someone and can't Sparks start developing? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 36:09

Maybe well I've never experienced that, but maybe.

SPEAKER_00 36:13

I so I've been that's a good question. I've been open to that exact scenario, and every single time I did that, it just it just didn't.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:22

I think that if it's not, you know, the highest in the beginning, it's it's maybe there's a few different, you know, oddball scenarios where that might work, where you start to see someone in a different light. But you know, for me, I want to be really excited when I finally meet somebody. I've been through, you know, a lot of heartache with bad relationships, um, learned a lot from them, and I'm you know, healed from all of that. So I'm not going into anything jaded, but I I don't know.

TikTok Turnoffs And Septum Theory

SPEAKER_02 36:51

So we're gonna discuss this TikTok video that I saw. Ask about Tanner is the guy that's posting this. Top five things men hate about women, and I want to see if these ring true. Number one, don't be fat. You can be a little big boned, have a little keg back there, but just don't be fat. Number two, eyelashes. What are these? Butterfly wings? If you flap too hard, you might fly away. Effing ugly. I need to stay three feet away away from that. Three, weird random tiny tattoos everywhere. You're not a sketchbook or the side of a bridge to graffiti on.

SPEAKER_03 37:23

How do you feel about that? Because you're you have tattoos.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

I don't I don't like shitty tattoos on women. I like tattoos on women. I think they're they're uh I think they're hot, but they have to be nice.

SPEAKER_02 37:35

Well, and this guy's saying, you know, the back of the ear, under the tricep, one on the ankle, one on the hips, the tramp stamp, one tattoo is okay, but 15 scattered all over the body.

SPEAKER_03 37:42

Yeah, you know what those look like, like the little like I've seen people, and I don't get that, you know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

I don't like those the scattered ones. If you have a sleeve, you know what I really like actually is a a full leg sleeve on a woman. That's that's pretty hot.

SPEAKER_03 37:56

Color or black and white?

SPEAKER_00 37:58

Color's okay.

SPEAKER_02 37:59

Okay. How do you feel about the eyelashes? When I like the natural-looking ones, but when they're too thick and too big, it's distracting. How do you feel?

SPEAKER_00 38:07

I have an older brother. He gave me a really funny name for those. I don't know if I can say it. Say it. I've heard the name Umbrellas.

SPEAKER_02 38:16

Oh my god, that's hilarious. That's funny. Uh, how do you feel about the first one? You like a woman with some meat on her bones, all right?

SPEAKER_00 38:24

Yeah, I don't, I mean, uh what you know what I really hate when I'm on a date with a woman and she just picks at her food. Like I like a woman that can eat. Um, so a little bit of meat on the bones is is good. Um, you know, a little, a little slim thickness is what I call it, because you're kind of a little thick, just a little bit, with some shape to you still. And um, I think that's good. Yeah. You just, but I agree. Like, don't be fat. I don't want someone who's fat.

SPEAKER_02 38:51

Don't be fat. That's the difference.

SPEAKER_00 38:53

Mostly boils down to proportions, though.

SPEAKER_02 38:55

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

Be proportionate.

SPEAKER_02 38:57

Number four, and I kind of agree with this. Long ass nails. Why are you waving them in my face and clinking them? Not attractive. How do you use those long ass Edward scissor fingers to do anything? You know the ones that are so long? Like yours are fine, but some of them are way too long. Yeah. How do they do anything?

SPEAKER_03 39:12

I know. I always ask my nail girl that how those girls do. And yeah, it's could they always do that clean, clink, clink?

SPEAKER_02 39:17

Oh, it's what do you how do you feel?

SPEAKER_00 39:19

No, it's super, super long nails. I can't stand, but just a nice, you know, uh womanly length. Uh too long is a no-go for me, though.

SPEAKER_02 39:30

And the last one, septum piercings. Are you a bull? Are you angry? Whoever told you that was okay, they need to get slapped. How do you pick your nose? How do you feel about septum piercings?

SPEAKER_00 39:40

Absolutely not. No, no, absolutely not. I've never I've seen attractive women with them, and I'm just, I'm like, why? Why what made you want to do that and think that it looks good? It does not.

SPEAKER_02 39:51

I I agree. Have you heard of septum piercing theory? Septum piercing theory? Have you heard of that? It's like a trend, a viral trend. So I started to see a lot of videos of women taking out their septum piercings because of septum piercing theory. It's a viral trend that's going around that states, and it's all men that state this, state that women with a septum piercing are all outspoken, impulsive, man haters, feminists, hostile towards traditional gender roles or conservative viewpoints and are super negative. Do you guys agree? That's that stereotype that all women with those are feminists, man haters. No, I know. I know someone with septum piercings who aren't those things. Yeah. Google septum piercing things on TikTok. There's so many videos. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:32

I think the what drives you to do that tells a lot about you as a person as well. I I've met a couple girls that have that. Very sweet, very nice. They seem to be uh pretty balanced individuals. They're not man haters and all these other things. And it's kind of surprising. So I kind of agree with with Septum Pearson theory because there's a stereotype that goes with that, but then not everybody fits it. So it's just like why is she wearing that? Like you're so cute.

Side Chick Debate And Rapid Fire

SPEAKER_02 41:02

Why like And that's the thing, we we've met a couple of really beautiful girls on this show that have that. And I'm like, you're so beautiful. Why do you feel the need to distract from your beauty, you know? But I guess different horses, different courses, different pigs, different wigs. So now it's time for the celebrity cut where we marinate in the juices of the celebrities. So I found this so interesting. I saw a TikTok. This guy went around asking many, many women of all ages, would you prefer to be the side chick of a famous NFL player or the wife of a very average man? Do you know what 100% of the people said? The side chick.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

The freaking side chick!

SPEAKER_02 41:40

What? Why? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 41:43

Women would rather share the king than be with one average common man. Yeah. They don't want the peasant.

SPEAKER_02 41:52

That's just crazy. I mean, I guess it just goes to show you that what are they looking for? Monetalistic things.

SPEAKER_03 41:58

I wonder what the demographic was of the women they interviewed, though, if they were lower socioeconomic status women or they were women who were of a higher socioeconomic.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

But I know there were like women in their 70s that they asked. It was all ages. Yeah. Even the 70-year-olds were like NFL NBA player. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:16

The 70-year-olds.

SPEAKER_03 42:20

I feel like women, I feel like women who have more financially going on for themselves would there would be women out there that would answer differently. That's very true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:31

So now it's time to get to know you with Zoya, sponsored by Zoyo, your neighborhood yogurt. Rapid fire style question. So are these red flags or no? Splits the bill on the first date. Red flag or fair game?

SPEAKER_00 42:42

If she wants to split the bill, I never I've never allowed that to happen once. Even if I didn't like them, I just I won't let that happen. I I believe, you know, you got ready, um, gave me your time. I gave you my time, obviously, too. But I'm the one that asked you on the date. I'm the man, I'm gonna pay.

SPEAKER_02 43:02

Oh. Still follows their ex on Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 43:06

That's a red flag. Yeah. I don't follow any of mine.

SPEAKER_02 43:09

They're over 30 and they have roommates.

SPEAKER_00 43:11

Red flag.

SPEAKER_02 43:12

Doesn't like dogs.

SPEAKER_00 43:14

I would nope, that's I would not talk to you. Really?

SPEAKER_01 43:17

Oh, you have to do that.

SPEAKER_00 43:18

I've met a couple girls that they don't like dogs, and I love dogs. I'm a huge dog lover. Um, that's that's weird.

SPEAKER_02 43:27

Yeah. They post Jim Selfies daily.

SPEAKER_00 43:31

I don't see anything wrong with that. If you have if you're a fitness influencer or aspiring to be one, as long as it's not like uh intertwined with thirst trap territory. If you're pushing supplements or maybe you're a sponsored athlete, I don't see anything wrong with that.

SPEAKER_02 43:45

Bad tipper.

SPEAKER_00 43:47

Yeah, a huge red flag.

SPEAKER_02 43:48

Says I don't do labels.

SPEAKER_00 43:50

Huge red flag.

SPEAKER_02 43:51

Has no social media.

SPEAKER_00 43:53

Green flag.

SPEAKER_02 43:54

Talks about crypto on the first date.

SPEAKER_00 43:57

I would be interested in that because I dabble a little bit myself.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Calls mom every single day.

SPEAKER_00 44:03

Not not such a bad thing. She might be close with her parents, and her mom is probably gonna give her better advice than maybe some of her friends.

SPEAKER_02 44:12

Is watching porn considered cheating?

SPEAKER_00 44:17

That's a good question. I I don't think it is, but I think if you have somebody, there's no need.

SPEAKER_02 44:24

Is it acceptable to have sex on a first date?

SPEAKER_00 44:28

Uh, that's a good question. It depends. Usually it's somebody that I would take serious. No. But I mean it's happened a good handful of times. More than a handful.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

In one sentence, why should someone date you?

SPEAKER_00 44:46

I believe that I'm a great team player. Um, very loyal. I'm actually very loyal to my core. Once I feel like I'm gonna receive that same thing from you. Um, I'm someone with a clean slate. I don't have kids, I've never been married, I have a good job, and I just want somebody, one person. I believe one person's enough, surprisingly, in this day and age, uh, to build a life with. Um I feel like you can't go wrong with me because I'll be brutally honest, even to my own detriment.

SPEAKER_02 45:17

And do you have a hidden talent that not many people know about? Something you don't tell too many people?

SPEAKER_00 45:22

No, I really don't. I'm just um I'm not gonna say your average Joe, but I'm just a normal guy. Um, nothing, I don't think there's anything too special about me. I'm I'm really good. I I get the feedback a lot on dates. Women say that I'm very easy to talk to and they feel like they feel safe and comfortable with me. And, you know, some have even said, oh, I've never even felt like this around anyone else so soon. I think it's just genuinely being interested. Goes back to the game. You got to be genuinely interested in them and who they are. Because when you do that and you avoid just approaching things from like a sexual standpoint, you might be robbing yourself of getting to know someone really cool. You don't have that sexual cloud uh kind of you know keeping you jaded, and you actually get to know somebody, you might be surprised you'll meet somebody really cool.

SPEAKER_02 46:14

Last but not least, what is your favorite sexual position and why?

SPEAKER_00 46:20

Oh, that's a oh, that's a good question. If I had to just pick one, probably her on top. Yeah. There's there's a lot going on. If I had to pick just one.

Wrap Up Sponsor And Dating Plug

SPEAKER_02 46:30

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SPEAKER_03 46:53

He looks absolutely nothing like his picture. So I found out the guy that I've been dating is married with kids. His wife just reached out to me.